In this conversation, David Doty and Michael Mishkin explore the promises of God as outlined in Matthew 6:33, discussing the importance of seeking God's kingdom and righteousness. They delve into the reconciliation of Old and New Testament teachings, emphasizing the role of suffering in spiritual growth and character development. The discussion highlights the significance of a personal relationship with God and the transformative power of faith and obedience, while also addressing the misconceptions surrounding church leadership and the true essence of spiritual teachings. In this conversation, Michael Mishkin and David Doty explore the themes of spiritual deception, the importance of personal connection with God, and the role of discipleship in spiritual maturity. They emphasize the need for individuals to seek a genuine relationship with God, discern truth from false teachings, and engage in meaningful questions to foster spiritual growth. The discussion also highlights the significance of understanding scripture accurately and the dangers of misinterpretation. Ultimately, the conversation encourages listeners to cultivate a humble heart and seek God's guidance in their spiritual journey.
takeaways
Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness.
Trusting God is essential for provision and peace.
Obedience to God leads to blessings, but struggles may arise.
Suffering can lead to character development and hope.
A true relationship with God requires personal engagement.
Spiritual growth is a continuous process for believers.
Understanding the law's spiritual meanings is crucial.
Church leaders should serve rather than exalt themselves.
Faith and perseverance are key to spiritual success.
Self-examination is necessary to ensure alignment with God. Spiritual leaders may not always serve you truthfully.
Personal connection with God is essential for spiritual growth.
Discipleship is akin to parenting in spiritual contexts.
Understanding scripture requires careful interpretation of language.
Misinterpretation of scripture can lead to false teachings.
Questions are vital for deepening one's relationship with God.
Asking God questions opens the door for understanding.
A humble heart is necessary to receive God's wisdom.
All sin can be traced back to selfishness.
True spiritual growth comes from seeking God's will.
David Doty (00:06.69)
Here we are gonna go live. Gonna start with some prayer here.
trying to make sure that I've got this.
David Doty (00:19.79)
set up correctly. Mike, you want to start in prayer?
Michael Mishkin (00:24.315)
Father in heaven, we come to you now. We put aside all distractions.
We ask forgiveness of our sins as we forgive others. We lift up the name that's above every name, that's Yeshua HaMashiach, the King of Kings, the Lord of Glory, the Word who became flesh, the Son of God who has brought us by His death and resurrection into restoration, connection, relationship back with the Father by the Father's Holy Spirit. We thank you, Lord, for that.
Thank you for the potential for redemption if we seek first your kingdom and your righteousness and you change us from glory to glory, from the old man to the new man. I would pray that you would lead this conversation now, that it would not be carnality or intellectualism, but it would be by the Holy Spirit for the edification of those who hear, that they could come to you by what they hear and that you would make it part of their spirit, that you would help them to grow.
and walk in faith and obedience to you. So we submit this time to you now and you will guide this conversation in Yeshua's name. Amen.
David Doty (01:44.919)
Amen.
Amen. agree. We've, we've been talking a little bit about the promises of God in particular, Matthew 6 33, where it says seek first his kingdom and his righteousness and all these things. Basically everything you need for this life will be added on to you. And, and what does that really mean? What does, what does that really mean? So that's what we're going to be talking about today on today's Think About It with Michael Mishkin David Doty here.
And we'll see if anybody decides to tune in. Mike, what do you think? Do you want to start by reading that scripture? Do want me to read it?
Michael Mishkin (02:30.779)
Matthew 6, which verse you want to start at here?
David Doty (02:36.875)
it up.
David Doty (02:41.422)
I guess we should probably start at the beginning of that paragraph, which is verse 25.
Michael Mishkin (02:52.699)
Therefore I say unto you, take no thought for your life, what you'll eat or what you'll drink, nor for the body what you shall put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than your covering, your raiment? Behold the birds of the air, for they don't sow and they do reap.
nor gather into the barns, yet your heavenly father feeds them. Are you not much more better than they? Which of you, by taking thought, add one cubit to his stature? And why do you take thought of your clothing? Consider the lilies of the field. How they grow and toil not, and neither do they spin. Yet,
I say unto you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God closes, closed the grass of the field, which today is and tomorrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? Therefore take no thought saying, what shall we eat or what shall we drink?
Wherewithal we should be clothed. For all these things the Gentiles seek. For your Heavenly Father knows that you have need of all these things. But seek first his kingdom, the kingdom of God, and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for tomorrow, for tomorrow shall take thought for the things of itself.
sufficient unto the day is the evil of today.
Michael Mishkin (04:59.557)
So essentially what we're seeing there is that if you're still thinking like the people of the world, the nations, the Gentiles as he puts it, Yeshua is talking to Jews now who are the people of God and trying to get them out of their mindset that I need to be burdening and worrying about what I work in order for me to survive. I have to eat, I got to slave away in order for the world to produce for me, which is the curse of Adam.
David Doty (05:27.884)
you
Michael Mishkin (05:29.815)
Adam didn't have that before he sinned. But after he sinned, it says that the ground will not produce for you except by the sweat of your brow. So he is now trying to deactivate the curse that came from Adam by having them trust God in such a way that if they focus on God with all their heart and in His purposes, God knows what you need to wear. He knows that you need to eat and He's going to provide for you. So
we can say from scripture and I know from life, if you're starving and you're not able to pay your bills and you're wondering where your food is and you're struggling, there's something that you're not focusing on him, you're focusing somewhere else. You could say whatever you want, but if you wanna tell me the scripture is wrong, well, that's what Yeshua is trying to tell the people of God at the time, the Jewish people in Israel.
and this is what they were doing, and he's countering that. You're not trusting God, he's saying. You're thinking that if I don't go to work and do what I gotta do, and this is not saying you don't work. This is saying where your head is. If your head is allowed to go back into the world and operate by the world's systems, you're pushing God out. If you're bringing God into everything, in prayer, connecting to him,
and giving everything over to him and walking each through the day by your engagement to him, he'll work out everything you need. He knows it and he'll get you what you need. That's what I see there. I mean, what do you see there?
David Doty (07:15.15)
I agree, right? So one of the things we were talking about earlier is the first covenant or the promises of the Old Testament versus the New Testament or the New Covenant. And in reading Deuteronomy, as I was saying to you earlier when we were talking, God says, if you faithfully obey, if you keep all of these commands and all these statutes,
You'll be blessed. You'll be blessed when you go in, when you come out, when you sit down, when you rise up, when you're eating, your children will be blessed. Your offspring will be blessed. Their offspring will be blessed. Your crops will grow. When your enemy attacks you from one direction, they'll flee in seven different directions. There's all of these. You'll be blessed. You'll be so blessed. Like you won't even be able to make a mistake almost. And then if you don't obey God,
If you don't keep these commands, then you're going to bring a curse. It's going to be the exact opposite. You're going to be sick. Your children will be sick. Your enemies will prevail over you. it's just, it's very, very, very clear. And I'm, so I'm, I'm trying to reconcile, right? well, Lord, you know, I'm a believer. am do, I'm trying to do all the right things. I'm.
seeking you, your word says to obey and you'll be blessed. I think I'm obeying and yet I don't feel as though I'm being blessed right now. And I think a lot of people, mean, I think Job certainly felt that way. Job was a good man. He was the most righteous human on the face of the planet at that point. And God basically starts this altercation between
Job and Satan and it ends up costing Job everything short of his life and his marriage. But God ends up restoring him at the end and Job learned some very valuable tremendous lessons through all of that and I think that's the point and so trying to reconcile like Deuteronomy chapter 28 this is
David Doty (09:36.66)
obey and you'll be blessed. And then Matthew 6 33, says seek first his kingdom and his righteousness or the kingdom of God and his righteousness. And all these things will be added unto you. For me, I'm like, okay, but according to the old Testament, I'm obeying or at least I think I am. I'm doing the best I can and things are hard. So what other new Testament insights do I go to?
or what is God saying because things physically are hard, but then God's working on the spiritual side of things. Like He's maturing me on the inside and using these physical circumstances to bring about a spiritual result.
Michael Mishkin (10:25.413)
Well, what happens is, and Job, the overall story of Job is how are we engaging God? We think we're engaging God, and then we're not really as we thought we were. Job, while he's called righteous by God, he's allowed by Satan to test, and it's digging up, and he doesn't lose his obedience, or his...
his connection and faith, but he really grumbles and a lot of junk. Ultimately, it's a lot of junk of why, why me? Why are you doing this? And it's an oversimplified perspective of what we go through. God allows tribulation to be in our lives to get it flesh. That's the simplicity of it. Because this whole world for what it's about is
come to know God and once you come to know God in your relationship be refined by God into his image. That's it. Everything else is bupkis. Don't tell me what the churches tell you, they're lying to you. You don't have a great commission where you go out into the world and preach the gospel. The only place that says that is Mark and that says that that section is not in the latest in any of earliest manuscripts. in Matthew and in Luke where it says go out into all the world and make disciples.
People don't understand what that means. You're a teacher and a student. A disciple is a student. It means you can't teach people if you don't know what the heck you're doing. And the people that were sent out when Yeshua said, go out and make disciples, they were trained. They went with the Lord for three and a half years and were trained and were trained and were fine. And they were still were stupid until the spirit came down on them. And then now they were qualified.
And then you see the orchestration in Acts 2 on how things really work out. So don't think that you have, okay, I just accepted Jesus and now I'm gonna go out and tell people. No, you gotta engage God and be made into his image and it's not gonna be easy all the time. But he does have promises that he'll provide. You brought up the Torah, the Old Testament, the law, the first five books, which it's not really the first five books because
Michael Mishkin (12:45.979)
Genesis is not really giving you laws, you know, it's really Leviticus and Numbers and Deuteronomy that are giving you a little bit of Exodus. But Abraham didn't have the Torah. Abraham didn't have all these laws. Abraham didn't have the Ten Commandments. But yet he was friends with God. And he said that in his faith and friend, in his connection to God, he fulfilled all of God's laws, precepts and decrees.
David Doty (12:49.4)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (13:15.929)
because those laws that were given to Israel as the first covenant was a symbolic lifestyle for them to live for prosperity on earth. It did not promise eternal life. They were living a symbolic life for us to understand when the new covenant would be revealed, which was there from day one. It was there way back when Adam was there. The new covenant was there. Adam was living in that and he defied it and he left it.
The new covenant, which is relationship with God being in Him. That's what that's about. The first covenant is showing a symbolic lifestyle on earth of living in God and He's in your midst if you follow all His ways. And if you screw up, this is how you correct it. And He's gonna keep you in prosperity and protection because that's symbolically representing that you're covered in Him and you have nothing to worry about. That's what that's about.
If you try in your flesh to fulfill every law, you won't do it because it's against flesh. So that's why Yeshua came because the law was given so that sin may abound. That's what Paul says. It wasn't there to give you a list. If you do all this stuff, God's gonna go, good job, not gonna happen. It's there to point you out that when you think you're a big shot, it's gonna find something and you break one, you break them all. That's why Yeshua nailed the guy.
David Doty (14:30.732)
Right. Right.
Michael Mishkin (14:41.219)
was rich. What commandment must I fulfill to get eternal life?" And he goes, I didn't kill anyone, I didn't steal, didn't... he says, that's great. Now go sell everything you have and come follow me. And he left depressed. So the point of the matter is, is that it's the relationship with God and you have to really get your foundation straight and know Him and He's gonna bring you through. He's refining you through whatever it is. So if you're having struggles eating, if you're having struggles making the bills,
There's something he's getting at, whether it's a singular person, whether it's a married couple, he's getting at something. And that it's the duty of whoever that is singularly or with a married couple to press into God. First thing, everything else is pushed out and God orchestrate us that we can work this out in you and change us to where we can walk by the Spirit and we can see the results and that these scriptures will be fulfilled. Scriptures are not
being fulfilled in people's lives because they're not true, it's that you're not lined up with them. There's a cause and effect. There's if-then, if-then. If you seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, then he will provide all these things. If he's not providing all these things, you're not seeking first his kingdom and his righteousness. It's amazing how this if-then thing works. That's what covenant is. It's an if-then. The people of Israel, you brought it up.
David Doty (15:43.779)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (16:08.899)
If they follow all those ways and they had their whole system and they couldn't follow them all, but they had a temple there to make reconciliation on the flesh side of things that we don't have a temple now, so you can't do it. Don't believe the lying Jews. My people who don't have Yeshua, they say, well now we have prayer. They had prayer then too. They had a temple though, and God saw it was pleasing. Now they don't have a temple. You still have prayer, and how's that working for you?
David Doty (16:35.618)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (16:39.223)
at history.
David Doty (16:41.036)
Well, it reminds me of Romans 5 because what you're talking about is when things aren't going well for you, then what is it that God's trying to bring about? And Romans 5, 3 through 5 says, only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings knowing that suffering produces endurance, endurance produces character, character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit.
who has been given to us. So God's trying to bring about a
something in our character. He's trying to help us and refine us and help us to become more like him. And by the way, George in Tifton, Georgia today says, Hola, mi amigos, blessings. So hello, George. Hope you're doing well. We're gonna pray for George today before we end this recording, if that's all right with you.
Michael Mishkin (17:34.009)
Hey, George.
Michael Mishkin (17:43.235)
Also scripture of like what Peter talks about, 2 Peter in his first chapter where he talks, and besides this giving all diligence to your faith virtue and add virtue knowledge and add to knowledge temperance and add to temperance patience and add to patience godliness and to godliness brotherly kindness and to brotherly kindness love, agape love which is God's love.
David Doty (17:48.046)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (18:10.971)
For if these things be in you and are abounding, they make you neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Yeshua. But he that lacks these is blind and cannot see afar off, and has forgotten that he was purged of his old sins. So he's talking about a progression that should be happening with believers. You should be growing in these attributes if you're truly engaging God. If not, you've lost sight.
David Doty (18:39.054)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (18:40.933)
You're just now following a religion. The idea of being with the Lord in this realm right now is that if you're still breathing, you should be growing in the spirit man, into his image and knowing him more and understanding and hearing his voice. If you are not, you're not in him and you're in danger of the fires of hell. So you need to check yourself. Everyone needs to check that. I check myself. Paul says we all should be checking ourselves. The man who thinks he stands lest he falls.
David Doty (18:43.534)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (19:11.119)
you know, even checking ourselves to see that we're even in the faith, you know. He even says it, you know, I run the race to buffet myself the less I do all this work and then I could be disqualified from the prize. So none of us are guaranteed anything. It's our desire and perseverance to the end. So we have to really see if it's everything is cause and effect. God is very practical and simplistic when you really know and understand.
David Doty (19:23.031)
Hmm.
Michael Mishkin (19:39.067)
If you think he's mysterious and complicated, you don't know him. You don't understand what he's doing.
David Doty (19:43.022)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (19:46.83)
Well, the Holy Spirit is supposed to lead us into all truth. So either we're doing something wrong, we're believing something wrong, we're on a broken, cracked foundation, which doesn't allow us to build very high. So we have to figure out a way to firm up that foundation. A lot of times it's coming out of false beliefs, coming out of false doctrines.
Michael Mishkin (20:15.653)
Yep, and that's where, you know, people who think they're safe going to church, you're believing a lot of lying pastors, and you gotta understand the lies are not obvious. You think you had a nice good message and they really just take you onto this side tangent of a useless aspect that could be true. It's like a spiritual motivational speaking, but it's diverting you from the core of yourself with God.
You shouldn't need somebody else to be telling you about some little aspect that you should be paying attention to that week. You should be spending time every day with the Lord, that the Spirit of God gets in there and you can, I'm struggling here Lord with this issue or had this problem and you're bringing it to him, you're giving it over to him and allowing his Spirit to work in you to change you there. That is the true relationship. Anything else, you're being lied to.
There's only a remnant for a reason. That means right now there's only a remnant on the planet of people who call themselves of God that are truly going with God as of right now. And most likely you're not one of them. Be careful. Seek God right now with all your heart on your face to make your selection sure.
David Doty (21:34.35)
I'm going to read something that George wrote and I you respond to this, Mike. The statutes help to teach us the heart of God so we can improve ourselves as we learn to fear and worship correctly. We now have salvation if then, if you accept His son, Yeshua Hamashiach.
Michael Mishkin (21:53.913)
Yeah, essentially that's true. And all those statutes were there to bring forth in a natural lifestyle form spiritual meaning. So that's why when Paul went around, he was a Pharisee, and when he talked to Gentiles, he didn't say, hey, are you guys making sure you're not wearing clothing of linen and wool because that's against the Torah here. He didn't say that. He said, you know, don't I have a right to reap material things from you?
Doesn't it say in the law, do not muzzle an ox while it's trading out the grain. So he brings up a law about an ox and he uses it on Gentiles saying, I have a right to be taken care of, reflecting on the spiritual meaning of the law, which is somebody who does work for you spiritually has a right to be maintained physically. So the law has translative spiritual meanings that we're supposed to learn and understand and that's what we're supposed to live by.
but it's not by us making us do it. The spirit works it in our heart that we automatically do it. It's being written on our heart to do that, but we're getting understanding to allow the spirit to make sure you can reflect that and put it part of our spirit. It shouldn't be something that you cognitively have to work out and you're, this law says this, so I should do this. No, that's your flesh. If you're truly abiding in the spirit, you transform that your walk and your way of being and your thought process
automatically conform to that way. And the only time you have to observe it is to see, I'm not in that way, God we need to work on this so you can work it into my spirit because there's flesh here that needs to die.
David Doty (23:37.73)
So you brought up, I think it's Deuteronomy 28, 4, don't muzzle an ox while it's treading out the grain. And that's quoted twice in the New Testament by Paul both times, once in 1 Corinthians 9, I believe, and then once in 1 Timothy 5, I believe. And the meaning of the verse, as you alluded to, we should respect and take care of the people who are
working, laboring for us, right? So the concept of muzzling an ox means you're not going to allow the ox to eat while it's working, which is wrong. By extension, the spiritual application of that is you should take care of those who are ministering for you, serving you, breaking down, rightly dividing the Word of God, teaching you and instructing you in the faith.
What's interesting to me and the revelation that I got on this the other day, which I shouldn't even say it's revelation because it's pretty common sense. The reverse way of looking at that verse is pastors, church leaders are like farm animals, know, servants. They're valuable. They provide a service they should be taken care of. But I see a lot of church leaders who want to exalt themselves and say,
you know, like basically listen to me, know, respect me because I'm the man of God or these different things. And I'm like, it just blew my mind when I saw that from the other perspective because Paul considered himself as a servant. He said he was the least of the apostles. We're in this upside down kingdom and the greatest among you, Jesus said, would be the servant.
And we see so many church leaders today who lord it over the congregants and are like, hey, you should be sowing into this ministry because God's gonna bless you if you do and God has given me to you. I don't know, what are your thoughts on that, Mike?
Michael Mishkin (25:51.387)
This is all the more of as we get to know the Lord, we know where the real deal is and the real perspective, meaning and reflection of what we have in our realm of life versus the counterfeit, which is there to test you to see, you really understand this? Because I'm gonna dupe you on the perspective understandings if you don't have it in your spirit and really know God. And that's what you see in the churches. Yeah, they take advantage of where
spiritual people who are truly trying to serve their fellow brethren for the kingdom spiritually that they should be hand taken care of in that process and they are utilizing that concept for what they're doing, which is if you really understand what they're doing, they are not serving you spiritually. In fact, they're serving you antichrist. They're serving you lies. They're serving you where they're making you
pacified and you think you're good and you know give you a little subject of your you know spiritual motivational speaking which is all carnal and it's not really edifying you you're supposed to be having your relationship with the Lord and you know if it's by the spirit that somebody's being led they shouldn't even be looking or you Paul even get for for gone
whatever benefits he was rightly deserving, because he said, I don't even want to burden you guys with taking care of me. I'll work with my own hands. He had the right, but even he then would forgo it. And you could see that even then he's struggling over and over again with these big, I'm an apostle coming in, other guys, and they're touting themselves or who they are. And the people would run to them and they would shun Paul. And he's like, what's going on with you people? I'm here out of love.
David Doty (27:32.888)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (27:41.571)
and I'm not trying to put any burdens for you to take care of me and I'm trying to help you and you're running to these guys because they say, I am the apostle, you should look to me. It's not new what you see going on in the churches is the same today. The people don't know how to see the counterfeit because the counterfeit works off of exactly what we talk about, but it makes a carnal perspective. So if you're not connected with God and learning how to discern what the real is, you're gonna get suckered. You know, there's only so much any person can tell you.
David Doty (27:49.71)
Right.
Michael Mishkin (28:10.149)
but the whole idea is not to tell you what to do. It's letting you understand a perspective of how it should be, but you've gotta go to God. You've gotta spend the time with him so that his spirit helps you to be able to see the difference. Michael can never ever explain to you everything you need to know and then you're sufficient. I'm just here shaking you saying, wake up, you're being lied to. If you really wanna go to heaven or not go to hell,
Guess what? You're going to hell. Yes, you. You're going to hell. You're not with him. Everybody watching this, you're not with him no matter what you think because you're not on your face crying out to him, letting his spirit in and truly directing your life. You have idol worship in your life and you need to uproot those idols and you can only do it by the power of the Spirit of God. So I'm warning all of these church people.
Most of you are not going where you think you're going. This is the way and it's through your dedication where you seek first his kingdom, his righteousness, nothing else matters and you're on your face and his spirit is building you. If you don't have that, if you're like, well, I don't know what God's saying, well, then you've got problems, Because Yeshua said, my sheep hear my voice. They know me, they follow me.
David Doty (29:34.346)
Amen. It's hard to add anything to that. mean, that's our goal is to inspire people to listen to the Lord. It's just listen and obey. you know, don't do what I say, don't do what Mike says. You know, if you think about the analogy of our families, and Mike and I both have a lot of kids,
Michael Mishkin (29:48.347)
That's it.
David Doty (30:04.466)
our job as parents is to train these kids to grow up and become producing adults who are self-sustaining, who make society a better place, right? We're training them to become adults and it's a spiritual concept. And when you referenced discipleship, it's the same thing. We are in need of spiritual parents.
to raise up these young believers to become adults. And if you're a spiritual three-year-old who still needs to be told what to do and you need help brushing your teeth and things like that from a spiritual perspective for the sake of the analogy, you're not mature.
We are not here to bottle feed anybody. People get bottle fed in their churches.
David Doty (31:08.032)
And the, when, when art, when Drayton, my oldest son was a baby, he was being watched, during the day by a family member. And, we noticed like in the evenings, after a few days of being watched by this family member, he wouldn't, he wouldn't drink milk from a bottle anymore. And so his mom.
went to the family member and said, what are you feeding him during the day? Like, you know, he won't take milk anymore. What's going on? This woman had been giving him sweet tea in a bottle when he was a couple months old and it tasted really good, but it was so bad for him. And then he didn't want nutritious milk anymore. You know, and that's what a lot of these churches are doing. They're giving you sweet tea and it tastes really good.
but it's not helping you, you're not growing. Eat your peas, eat your carrots. And eventually we get to this place that we can start feeding ourselves steak. mean, even meat, when your children are small, you cut it for them.
Michael Mishkin (32:16.123)
It's all pro-
David Doty (32:26.786)
and then they get mature enough that they can handle their own fork and knife. And God gave us all of these examples to show us things, to demonstrate spiritual truths.
Michael Mishkin (32:38.007)
did he give it to us? That's the reason why they happen. Why do we eat? Why do we drink? I mean, why do we breathe? Why do we have discipleship? You know, I mean, all of these things, why do we have that? Parenting was existing because of discipleship. Not the other way around. Discipleship is parenting. And that's a concept of God that the older people should be serving the new ones.
to rise up so that they can walk as peers when they get to the right level and they can handle the world that they're in. That's what discipleship is supposed to be. You're a guide. Otherwise, he could have had us pop right out the side and be the same size and just another duplicate. But nobody thinks about why we do what we do. Why do we breathe? We don't have to breathe. Well, science says it. Forget science. God made science. Everything in the natural realm was made to reflect.
David Doty (33:34.414)
That's right.
Michael Mishkin (33:37.615)
who he is and what he's doing. So he could have just had energy from the sun without breathing. Breathing is a spiritual concept that man can't live without the breath of life, which is what he breathed into Adam and we live. And it's a constant reminder that you live by the breath of God and that one day that breath is gonna stop and you're done. It's right there in front of our faces, but we don't realize that eating food.
We don't have to eat food, He made it that way. That what we put into us now sustains us and grows us. Well, that's what happens spiritually with the Word of God. The Word of God feeds our spirit for Him to grow. And if you're not getting the Word of God in you, you're not growing the spirit. So that's why physically we have that. It's all there around us. Paul talks about that in Romans 1. If you think I'm lying to you.
But that's the thing people don't say, all these things you should be learning from the Spirit. I learned it from God. Very basic things that we do, but yet you follow the program. You know, why is it on the sixth day, God made the animals first, and then he made man in his image? Nobody thinks about that. Because when we understand that the land represents the people of God, but first on the sixth day, which is coming towards the finishing of his plan,
David Doty (34:44.398)
you
Michael Mishkin (35:03.407)
that he's gonna make the animals, which are people of God, but they still adhere to the rules and ways of the land. And then he says, let us make man in our image. We're at the finality. There's gonna be man, which are the true people of God who rise up and they totally reflect God of who he is and what he's doing. And they rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air. That's all encapsulated in pictures. And unless you learn how to encode those things,
You're just like, yeah, that's what it is. I don't know. I think the dinosaurs are in there somewhere because they keep telling us about evolution and there is dinosaur bones. yeah, that's what. You don't know anything. You know nothing.
David Doty (35:43.67)
This is why I stopped reading commentaries because so many of the commentaries are rooted in false teachings and it's just reinforcing. That's why I stopped buying study Bibles. I don't want a Bible with footnotes. This Bible that I'm using right now, I've been using for the last couple of years on our daily Bible reading. It's the Christian Standard Bible and it's
pretty good as far as a literal translation. And when they try to put stuff in terms that we would understand, as opposed to what's literally there in the Hebrew or the Greek, there will be a footnote that says what it literally was. So like when it talked about Goliath, it says he was nine feet tall or whatever, instead of six cubits or six and a half cubits or whatever. And that's just to make it relevant for us today, because we don't know what a cubit is.
Right? But the footnotes that try to explain eschatology, don't read them. Only read them if you want to know what's not accurate, because I haven't found a single study Bible that's remotely close to accurate when it comes to eschatology and a lot of other things too.
Michael Mishkin (37:03.289)
a lot of things like that. mean even where we talked about like getting the words what they actually say in Hebrew to actually translate to what they are in English. Like we talked about what it says when we see Nephilim and they're translating it as giants. Which you can believe whatever you want, but the word has nothing to do with what we understand as the idea of giants. That's all I'm saying. You can believe whatever you want. When you say giant to a human being of
David Doty (37:29.784)
Hmm.
Michael Mishkin (37:33.111)
America, the word giant in English shows you something greater in stature, a much greater in stature size physically than the actual normal person. That word in Hebrew has nothing to do with that. And that's all I say. Don't call it that. It says nephelin, fallen ones. That's literally means and any interpretation that you're going to try to do.
has to come from the wording from the Hebrew or the Greek. And that's the point that I try to tell people is that before you start making any interpretations of what you think you're reading there, especially in eschatology, make sure you have the understanding from the Hebrew or the Greek. And most of your commentaries are not doing it that way. They're doing it from someone else's translation off of that, who that person is trying to do the best they can to bring it off the page from Hebrew.
in their intellectual perspective that maybe you'll understand. And then you're going and building a whole under, here's my revelation off of something that has nothing to do with.
David Doty (38:42.626)
Yeah, yeah. Somebody sent me a message through the Bible in Order website this morning asking for, know, like what would, this person received a word from the Lord as they were walking and praying this morning and it.
She was saying like, what would you do with this? I don't remember the question, but do you have any suggestions on how to do a deeper study? And I was like, I use Bible Hub. I go here, it's got links to all of the words in the Greek and in the Hebrew. You can just click, click, click, and you have answers straight from the word of God rather than commentaries, which a lot of times, most of the time,
99 % of the time are just man's opinion, you know, and so we get way off track and I'm not saying that the Nephilim weren't 12 to 15 feet tall or not or nine feet like Goliath, maybe Goliath was a descendant, you know, whatever, you can have those conversations, but we're just saying stick to the Word of God. All of this other stuff is helpful, you know, I mean, it's interesting, it's not necessarily helpful.
But when we're determining what God is saying, just focus on the word of God. You don't, we have the Holy Spirit. We don't need a commentator from 50 years ago who was deluded on some things. Not saying the guy's an unbeliever, I'm not saying he's a bad person, but he, my grandmother, God bless her, she loved the Lord Jesus. She was talking about Jesus everywhere she went to the waitress. mean, you couldn't,
go anywhere. She was famous in her small town for the purple woman, she always wore purple, for the purple lady. And she was always talking about Jesus. But she also was dead wrong on some things. I'm not trying to disrespect her, but some of her theology was just off. And if we are going to mature,
David Doty (40:58.826)
and actually disciple people, parent them, and become mature ourselves and help other people become mature, we have to get back to the basics and have a solid foundation built on truth, a solid rock, so that we can actually build a structure that goes beyond a one-story shed.
Michael Mishkin (41:21.339)
And you know, when you're reading this stuff and let's say you have the interlinear, you're translating words, the biggest thing that you have for yourself with the Spirit is questions. And this is what people don't, this is why people really have struggles because they may not understand something, but they don't ask God the questions. You know, when you break down the simple wording of things, or like, you know, let's just talk about like in the garden.
You know, when you get to understand God of this big beyond the beyond, knows everything before anything was created, knew every thought in your head, and you gotta really put that into perspective how that's beyond anything. This is not a guy, even though there's symbolic reflections in Daniel as if the, saw the ancient of days sitting on a throne, it's all symbolic. The actual father is not two arms, two legs and a head. He's beyond and in everything. He said,
David said, if I go down to the depths of hell, you are there. So that's what the whole understanding when you understand the perspective of the Father. So now this beyond amazingly brilliant being creates everything, makes these people, sticks them in a garden and then says, hey, you can have everything here, but not this tree. Your thoughts should be like, why did you do that? If you didn't want them to touch it, why did you do that?
This is where thinking comes in. That's asking questions. And you can ask questions to God. And that's how you start to glean and ask him questions. And he starts to help you to realize that what you're seeing there in that little overly simplified picture is a greater perspective that he can reveal of really the big picture of who he is and what he's doing. This wasn't about, I made everything great. This is awesome. I just had this one thing for them not to, man, they touched it.
Well, let's go a different direction then. No, then you don't know God.
David Doty (43:19.16)
Right. Right. Well, I think a lot of us have been trained to stop asking questions. Right. And a lot of us who had children, I mean, you know, you have five boys when they were when they were little. I don't know about you and your parenting style necessarily. But when I when my kids were little, I know I was very immature myself in my 20s when I started having kids. Drayden was born when I was 22. And so when he was five or
Michael Mishkin (43:25.007)
Thanks,
David Doty (43:48.162)
Let's say when he was three and I was 25 and working 60 hours a week, coming home and tired. And he was like, why this? Why that? Why this? Why that? I was probably telling him, stop asking questions. Stop it. And that was drilled into our heads because we as, as parents are immature dealing with our own stuff. And I mean, obviously some parents are much better than others. I'm not going to say everybody and
Not everybody's as immature or bad as I was at that age, 25 years ago. And I know myself now I'm much better and more patient with my kids than I was back then. I've matured a lot, thankfully, in 25 years. But the point of the matter is we've been trained, we've been conditioned to not ask questions. Like we're wearing people out, we're annoying people, it's disrespectful.
In our school systems in the West, you don't interrupt the teacher to ask questions. That's disrespectful. And so we're conditioned by society to not ask, but God is like, ask, ask and you will receive when you ask, ask. Jesus was continually saying, ask and you shall receive, telling us parables in Luke 11 and
other places about how to pray. And in James, it says, you have not because you ask not. We need to learn how to ask. And God is anxious. He wants to give us the manna, the fresh bread, the result of our intimacy with Him, if we're just willing to be intimate with Him.
Michael Mishkin (45:38.939)
All this is exactly right. Ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be open. All of this is the active part of your relationship with Him. A humble heart is what receives God. That means you're open. As you're open, you want to receive. If you ask a question, you have a void. That's what a question is. It's a void. It's an emptiness. And when you're looking for the answer, it's the substance. Can you fill the substance with the lack?
David Doty (45:59.47)
Hmm.
Michael Mishkin (46:06.021)
People don't think about that. They don't realize what asking a question is. I am empty on a perspective understanding. Could you please fill that with the substance that I'm looking for? So that's what God is looking to do. So if you're humble, you're open, you ask a question and he can now download. He's infinite in all wisdom. He can't just like, all right, bang, you'll explode. So he needs you to invite each aspect of that understanding as you're going with him.
David Doty (46:15.086)
you
Michael Mishkin (46:35.163)
That's interactive. That's a father to a child. That's what he wants to do. mean, your baby's born. Do you just sit down with him and just start downloading everything that you possibly could know to him in two seconds? No. The whole idea of walking alongside as a parent is to guide, and when they do ask questions, you could properly fill the void. Now, as a parent, to truly be a parent, you gotta be founded on the right principles. Even if you're not a believer in God,
People think they're a good parent just because they put food on the table. No, you're not. You're a good parent if you're guiding them in a character that is proper and cordial to their fellow man, regardless of whether you believe in God or not. You're correcting selfish attributes that the common carnal, even in children, they, I want, I want, I want, that's what kids are. I want, I want, I want, and you gotta tell them no, no, no.
David Doty (47:14.69)
Hmm.
Right.
Michael Mishkin (47:27.909)
You you leave it to kids, they're gonna, want candy all the time and I just wanna watch play my video games. No, no, you can't have that. And then you're hopefully stimulating them in such a way where they could be corrected and learn what's the right way for them to build their character in a true, humble, giving character, not a parasite that takes off of others, that only thinks of himself. Because all sin is selfishness, that's it. Break all sin down, it's...
David Doty (47:56.493)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (47:57.529)
Me first. That's it. If you're really in God's character, it's you first. How simple can we just break everything down to? Just write, just like that.
David Doty (48:04.302)
Hmm.
David Doty (48:08.952)
That's right. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. What does that mean? It means think about what he wants and do that. Love other people. What does that mean? Think about what they want and do that. And we're training our kids to be focused and sensitive to what God wants and what other people want.
Michael Mishkin (48:30.585)
And it has to be done according to a basis for their actual betterment, not according to, because a drug addict will want you to give them more heroin or money for heroin. That's not how you it. Exactly, God will show you that when you're gonna help somebody, there's a way to help them for their true betterment. They don't dictate it. If they need help, you don't take their way of telling you how to help them. You take God's way on how to truly help them.
David Doty (48:42.19)
That's why we put God first. That's right.
Michael Mishkin (49:00.089)
And if they don't receive it, that's their business. But what you're gonna do is according to God's standards, which will truly help somebody in the right way according to God. So there's the difference.
David Doty (49:11.394)
Right. Amen. Well, let's wrap this up because we're about 49 minutes in. would you mind closing us in prayer, Mike? And would you please pray for George, however the spirit leads you?
Michael Mishkin (49:31.419)
Father in heaven, I thank you Lord for another opportunity to discuss different perspectives of your kingdom to show more of the true way versus the counterfeit which is so much looking like the true way but has no power. It's a form of godliness but denies the power. It's anti-Christ. The true anti-Christ is now. It's not some guy coming that's gonna build a temple in Israel. That's part of the lies that people have been taught.
We have Antichrist now where carnality, our flesh is sitting in this temple that Paul says that we are, and it's saying God is doing this and we're being lied to and we're not growing according to the spirit man in true maturity and faith and connection to you. So I cut that off in the name of Yeshua and I pray that all those who are truly hungry and humble.
and want to really be made into your image would seek you with all their heart and would allow your spirit in to uproot all the false things that they've been taught that are actually separating them from you. I lift up George specifically for this as he seeks and he jumps on to just hear us. May your spirit fill him to overflowing and give him the revelation of these things and work out whatever is going on in his life by your spirit.
according to your spirit, that he will seek you and you'll give him revelation for him that you know and that he will abide by it, that he will get that revelation and he'll walk in it and he'll see the results which are unto life and joy and peace in the spirit. And that's how we know when things are truly of you by the fruit that comes out unto life and blessing and peace in you. So may you give that to him because he's seeking.
Many are talkers. They say they are, but they want to be anchored in their idol worship that they think is what they've learned in you. We're not talking about them. Like Yeshua said, I don't pray for the world. I pray for those that you have given me in the world. So even Yeshua distinguished the true people and that was even inside of Israel. Not everybody in Israel came along because they wanted their religion. They didn't care about his way. But we want the true sons of God to be revealed.
Michael Mishkin (51:57.967)
and only by your spirit can that be. Bring us up, raise us up right now and bring us together in love, unity, order and balance in Yeshua's name.
David Doty (52:11.575)
Amen. Well, God bless y'all. Thanks for tuning in today and we'll see you soon.
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