David Doty and Michael Mishkin delve into Jeremiah 33, exploring the themes of Israel's restoration, the significance of prophecy, and the historical context of Israel's exile. They discuss the allegorical nature of biblical events, the implications of Babylon in modern times, and the importance of understanding spiritual versus physical Israel. The conversation emphasizes the necessity of prayer and education in the restoration process, culminating in a discussion about the future of Israel and the second coming of the Messiah.
Takeaways:
Jeremiah 33 speaks to the restoration of Israel.
The exile of Israel serves as a metaphor for God's plan.
Prophetic messages often have both literal and allegorical meanings.
Historical events in Israel's past inform our understanding of prophecy.
Babylon represents confusion and moral decay in society.
Prayer is essential for understanding God's will and restoration.
Spiritual Israel includes both Jews and Gentiles who believe in Yeshua.
The restoration of Israel is a key theme in biblical prophecy.
The second coming of the Messiah will fulfill God's promises to Israel.
Understanding scripture requires recognizing metaphorical language.
Transcript:
David Doty (00:01.509)
Hey everyone, it is Think About It, the podcast with Michael Mishkin and David Doty. We are here today discussing Jeremiah 33, and it's about the restoration of Israel.
Mike, do you want me just to start reading or do you want to read or?
Michael Mishkin (00:23.502)
Yeah, we'll give a little Context so we know Jeremiah prophet to Israel came in probably around 620 something BC Started with the king Josiah and he prophesied all the way to the time through Josiah's sons to the Where they were taken out
of Israel into Babylon into exile for 70 years as Jeremiah prophesies in one of his passages. In the meantime, through the different sons, he is giving prophecies to Israel. A lot of times there's condemnation and judgment that's coming because they're not following.
But then there is sort of prophetic views of a restoration. And I think it's important that we look at scriptures like these and many others that are in Isaiah, many more that are in Jeremiah, Ezekiel, all over, including there's Psalms that do prophesy the restoration of Israel. So when we think about God and what he's doing and the whole scheme of finality of things, we have to remember.
there is a restoration of Israel that has to happen. And I don't mean the establishment of the current state of Israel because that's not exactly fitting perfectly. It is a step forward because Israel has to exist, but it's not what the scripture is actually saying will actually be. So let's take a look. We'll read Jeremiah 31.
David Doty (02:01.659)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (02:14.414)
Maybe we'll read half, discuss, and then read the other half. What do you think?
David Doty (02:18.065)
Okay, sure. Yeah, Jeremiah 31, 33. All right. And can you just give us a little more context? What is Israel being restored from?
Michael Mishkin (02:20.974)
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Michael Mishkin (02:32.765)
Israel was being you when Israel went off into Babylon It was metaphorical allegorical Where they live a symbolic representation of the plan of God? Many things that we see in the Old Testament are symbolic representations of the plan of God of what he's Case in point everyone knows about the an obvious one with Abraham and his son Isaac When God said take your son your only son?
and sacrifice him and he takes Isaac over there, pulls up the knife and the angel of God stops him and there's in the thicket the ram caught in the thorns and we know that that's God providing, I will provide myself as people say. So there we see an obvious symbolic representation of what God is planning to do and he has Abraham testing him in faith.
through the demonstration of what he will do. And Abraham obeys and God stops him. But that's just one of many kinds of allegorical pictures. Israel went through the casting out into Babylon, which is the people of God, because they will not follow God, God's way, that they went off into confusion. That's what Babylon means. And that at a certain point in time, God will stir the hearts of those that truly want him.
and they will return and build his house, his temple, his dwelling place, which is basically coming back and restoring and doing God's way the right way. But only a select small section come back as what's happened in when the restoration happened with Zerubbabel and Joshua, the son of Jehoshedek. And then afterwards you had Ezra and you had Nehemiah.
But all of that was only a small section of all the people that were scattered that came back to actually build it. And then in these days, it's the same thing. So we're looking at the spiritual finishing of all of these things. While Israel is established physically, is still not spiritually the spiritual holy place of God. It is a pagan place, got gay parades in Jerusalem. You know, they want to make...
Michael Mishkin (04:53.71)
Tel Aviv, gate capital of the world, some paganism all over the place that they really look to. I mean, they run to India the second they can when they can go on their little holidays or trips, whatever you want to call it. So Israel in the natural right now is not really serving God, especially if they don't know Yeshua, but that's going to change.
David Doty (05:15.345)
So, a lot of these historical things in Scripture, they're literal, accurate historical events, and they're also allegorical so that we can learn from that example.
Michael Mishkin (05:30.306)
Yeah, to understand the prophets, the prophets had a multifaceted job. One thing was to bring the condemnation to the physical people, but they also used the literal to project down the road into spiritual happenings and spiritual concepts. They would bring, they would start loosening up the real meaning of the Torah and...
They would project towards things that were to come, but it was based off of actual happenings with Israel in there and what they were doing at that time. you know, we see in scripture, there's some things that's that prophesy about a Messiah coming and that will die for the people. You know, there's plenty of scriptures like that. And then there's plenty of scriptures that talk about a Messiah will come and will reign as King in the seat of David. And we know those are going to be true. So well.
There's other scriptures there that are not talking about Messiah. They're talking about Israel. They talk about Judah and they're speaking of their iniquity and their problems and how God will punish them and God will punish them. And then it speaks about, and then I will return you, I will restore you. And it's even written in the Torah. Before they even got into the land, God said, you're going to break all these things.
I'm gonna kick you out of here. When you're out in your far places, all over the place, scattered all over the world, then your heart will soften and I will draw you back to me and I will bring you back to this place. So there's so many scriptures. I have actually marked them out in my Bible and I don't think I've gotten them all, but there is so many about the restoration of Israel, which is key to the finality of all this. it's another thing that is a kicker against the Christian eschatology
you know, some of it doesn't incorporate that perspective. Some tries to because they realize, oh wow, we have these scriptures and they're saying this stuff, so we have to now do a little side step in order to keep our baloney. But let's see what the scriptures tell us and people can make their own minds up by reading and asking God. So I'll read half, I guess it's 26 verses and 33, I'll read to 13 and we can look what we see and then go from there.
David Doty (07:38.725)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (07:45.563)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (07:54.585)
Okay, sounds good.
Michael Mishkin (07:55.982)
So
the houses of this city and concerning the houses of the kings of Judah, which are thrown down by the mounts and by the sword. They come to fight with the Chaldeans, but it is to fill them with the dead bodies of men whom I have slain in my anger and in my fury and and for all whose wickedness I have hid my face from this city. Behold, I will bring it.
I will bring it health and cure and I will cure them and reveal unto them the abundance of peace and truth. And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return and will build them as of the first. And I will cleanse them from their iniquity whereby they have sinned against me. And I will pardon all their iniquities whereby they have sinned and whereby they have transgressed against me.
And it shall be to me a name of joy, a praise, and an honor before all the nations of the earth, which shall hear all the good that I do unto them, and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure for them. Thus says the Lord, again, there shall be heard in this place which you will say,
that shall be desolate without man and without beast, even in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem that are desolate without man and without inhabitant and without beast. The voice of joy, the voice of gladness, the voice of bridegroom and the voice of bride, the voice of them that shall say, praise the Lord of hosts for the Lord is good for his mercy endures forever. And of them,
Michael Mishkin (10:19.448)
that shall bring the sacrifice of praise into the house of the Lord, for I will cause to return the captivity of the land, as at the first, says the Lord. Thus says the Lord of hosts again in this place which is desolate without man and without beast, and with all the cities thereof shall be a habitation of shepherds causing their flocks to lie down in the cities of the mountains, in the cities of the veil.
and in the cities of the south and the land of Benjamin and the places about Jerusalem and the cities of Judah shall the flocks pass again under the hands of him that tells them says the Lord. Now we stop there.
Alright, so clearly we could see in that passage that God has intended off of what he's seeing already with Israel that there's going to be... there's not going to be anybody in here. No beast, no man, no nothing. So that gives us an indicator of what that's like. Now, there was a degree of that when they were kicked out under, you know, after King Zedekiah.
and when they were taken off. But that's also reflective. After 100 AD, if people don't know history, Israel was sacked by Rome and a huge amount of people were killed off and the rest were scattered and there was virtually no beast man. Well, let's just make it simple. There was no Jews living in that land for.
David Doty (12:01.499)
So that was, you said 150 AED?
Michael Mishkin (12:04.502)
One, well, it's probably by 150, yeah, they were all out. Probably around that time.
David Doty (12:10.545)
So there was the destruction of the temple in 70 and then.
Michael Mishkin (12:15.214)
Destruction of the seven in 70 but that didn't that didn't bring them the the real ultimate retribution Against Israel until some years later. I think one of the final rebellions is called the Akakba rebellion where this man named Bar Kokhba Proclaimed himself the Messiah and he was backed up by a rabbi Akiva and it was I think it was around 120 AD and
I think even then you had believers, Jewish believers that said, Hey, you know, we'll fight against the Romans, but we're not calling you Messiah. And I, from what I understood, he got mad and basically went turned on them and started killing them. And then you had all your rebellions against Rome and Rome had had it. And they started going ape crazy on Israel, killing a whole bunch of people. That's where you see like a third of the stars have fallen.
stars of the people of God and then the rest were scattered all this was prophesied that that was going to happen even here there's talking about things that like that but then they'll be after a time now we obviously see that's about almost 1800 years later before any real presence of Jews start to come back that's about late 1800s is when they really started to return for the most part
And in the 1900s even more so, and then it builds up to a physical restoration, emergence of Israel in the natural because the place is named Israel. But that does not, it's not a spiritual re-emergence yet. You know, while this physically has literal connotations to it, you see that when you read certain aspects of it,
There is a spiritual finality that it puts, that you see in certain verses here, that it can only be spiritual. So that's the key in context, is when you read the passages, what can we glean, which lines can we glean to show, well, it can't be at this time, it can't be that time because of what it's saying here. When it says that there's not gonna be any man or beast or whatever, it's, a lot of it is, obviously it's not worried about the beast. The beast is symbolically of a type.
Michael Mishkin (14:40.686)
of man, you know, the dumb man that just follows, you know, bottom line is no being is going to be allowed and that happened for almost 1800 years or so. And then there was a restoration, but then they're going to come back and they're going to know him and they're going to set everything straight and God's going to bring things the right way. Let's look for certain pertinent lines unless you remember anything to bring up.
David Doty (15:11.889)
So you're talking about like the men like beasts are it's people who act like animals. Like if you think of a dog, it only cares about getting his belly scratched and eating and finding other dogs to mess around with and people who act like that.
Michael Mishkin (15:27.65)
Yeah, in scripture, you're going to see things written in there that look like literal and does have a connotation of literal, but it also has a concept of understanding. Why are people like people who come to God and then leave God are referred to as dogs because a dog returns to its vomit. Are they actually dogs? No, but we're using the metaphor.
in the same way and a lot of prophetic wording is metaphors. mean, if you don't believe me when you think Isaiah says that the trees will clap their hands, well, I'd say like, please show me where trees get hands and start clapping. So there is the reason why we see those things is because it means what it means literally, but it also has a metaphorical context. That's why Yeshua spoke metaphorically.
My, you know, whether you want go with metaphors, similes, whatever, my people are sheep. Are you a sheep? You know, I am the bread of life. Well, Catholics think it's literal. They think it's popping, like his flesh is popping in their belly. And that's the foolishness of the carnal natural man, you know? So again, this is just one of many scriptures and we only read half of it.
David Doty (16:31.781)
Yeah, I am the bread of life.
Michael Mishkin (16:51.66)
that speak of this. So this is really elaborating on a certain point in time where there's going to be a restoration and the Jews, my people, are going to turn to Yeshua. I mean, in Zechariah it says they'll mourn for the one whom they've pierced, which is a specific scripture that shows the idea that when they do return, that they're gonna recognize, what have we done? This was the Messiah all along.
So there is an aspect of that. And then to show you how much the return of the Jews are so necessary, we could actually flip to another scripture and we could look at Zechariah chapter eight and it shows that there's the restoration and then you see how it says that in the end of chapter eight, it says that 10 Gentiles will grab the garment of a Jew and says that we have heard that God is with you. We're going with you.
So again, that's just, you I could touch on scripture after scripture here, but it's here to really elaborate on the understanding that if you just think that Messiah is gonna just pop up tomorrow and that's it, you're bringing us to heaven or we're all gonna go and be raptured, you really don't know what's going on and you really don't know Messiah. And I urge you to really dig into God with a humble heart and re...
get re-educated by the Spirit, tear down all the false doctrines and rebuild. And that's what going into the wilderness is. You're tearing down the false ways that you've understood out of God. That's why people came out to John in the wilderness because they were believing God the wrong way and they were willing to be baptized, which symbolized let it go, make their path straight, cleanse themselves of that.
David Doty (18:23.354)
Right.
David Doty (18:40.539)
Right.
David Doty (18:44.367)
So in verse five there, they're coming in to fight against the Chaldeans and to fill them with the dead bodies of men whom I shall strike down in my anger and my wrath. What do the Chaldeans represent?
Michael Mishkin (18:59.756)
Chaldeans was a lot of times another term used for the Babylonians. It was more of like the literal name over the Babylonians. They are trying to take their stand and fight against them rather than listening to God who's telling them, hey, you guys are off and wrong. And that's why they're there in the first place. We see that in other passages of Jeremiah and Jeremiah warns them and says, don't fight.
You you did this. You didn't listen. This is your judgment. I have brought these people upon you. I did this. And they're going to try to fight. And well, a big section did try to fight against these guys. And they did rot in the streets. They died. were first they were trapped in Jerusalem. They couldn't get out because they were surrounded and they were starving and disease was taken in and they were eating their kids. And then Babylon finally came in and then.
It was a bloodbath all throughout.
David Doty (19:58.723)
Mm-hmm. So Babylon is referenced throughout scripture, I mean, all the way into Revelation. And at the end of time, Babylon falls and people are rejoicing Babylon, Babylon has fallen, Babylon has fallen.
Michael Mishkin (20:06.478)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (20:20.657)
Are we witnessing Babylon falling in 2025 with a lot of the political changes and a lot of how people are becoming aware of the way our government has been spending our tax dollars and funding different things all around the world? Is this a fall of Babylon?
And even from a church perspective, I mean, we're seeing like all of these different ministries that are being exposed for sin and different things that were going on behind the scenes. Is this the fall of Babylon or even the beginning of it?
Michael Mishkin (21:02.862)
Well, that's why you bring up a good point. That's why we need to really understand why did God have Babylon exist back then for Israel in the first place? know, then Persia comes in, then Greece comes in, then Rome comes in. And Daniel in his prophesying speaks of each of those in a prophetic way as well. So the key is it's the nation is gone as far as the culture and perspective way back when, but the concept is not gone.
You know, when Peter speaks about the woman in Babylon and when it talks about it even in certain places, you know, we're not even talking about Revelation. Babylon was virtually gone, so he's speaking in the figurative sense as well. So, but these people literally existed like they were called the Chaldeans. They were a people that allowed all different types of gods to operate. We could see a lot of the functionality of it in Daniel. We could see how Nebuchadnezzar was.
fact he speaks a lot in chapter 4 of Daniel but again they were also a metaphor they were an allegory and understanding concept that lives on and that is what is so important to learn what did they mean what did they represent and then how does the concept still exist because yes we live in Babylon today we live in a whole land of confusion
Everything is twisted. Yeah, well every religion under the Sun Every lies a swirling in every sphere of our lives from what the scientists tell us the medical field tells us our government tells us Everything is lies lies lies in order for the people to just shut up and do your job work and then You know Don't don't try to think You know Babylon was meant to make it difficult for you to think And God requires you to think
in him. So, Babylon existed in concept back then. Revelation speaks about the woman of Babylon, and it's reflecting on how it is the confused state of the world. Now, Yeshua, when he came, you know, and then he was caught up to the right hand of the Father, and the Spirit gets poured out on his disciples, you know, and then you see that metaphorical aspect of what happened when the disciples were going forth.
David Doty (23:13.617)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (23:28.896)
It says in Revelation 12, the second half of the chapter that a war broke out in heaven, you know, and all the angels fighting and Satan is thrown down. So you could see symbolically what that represents. Nobody at the time, you didn't see Peter saying, hey, check it out guys, look up, there's a war going on. Hey, look at that angel, he just swung at a demon. Whoa, look, he just came shooting down. Nobody saw that.
He was getting a revelation, a revelation with symbolism of what was going on at the times. So, Yeshua bringing the truth and they started to bring the truth, they started to unravel that for people and they started to align with God and move with God. But then Babylon was gonna come back in, you know, it even speaks about how there was that beast that came up out of the water and had one had a wound, a mortal wound.
David Doty (24:23.153)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (24:26.51)
that then healed. Well, that's like an oxymoron. If it's mortal, you die. It's not healing. Well, what happened was Yeshua, for a short period of time, mortally wounded the confusion aspect of that beast. And people were growing to know the truth of God. But then, Antichrist comes along and shuts it down, twists the true way of God, and now people move on and start believing the lies again, and then darkness sets in again.
And we had many years of the Dark Ages after that. So yes, metaphorically, we have had the Dark Ages, which breeded, we could see a spiritual Babylon that went on through the times. We did have a little bit of a pushback again when the Protestant Reformation happened. And it brought in the Renaissance. And from there, you know, we're now coming up to a time period where people are waking up.
David Doty (24:54.086)
Right.
Michael Mishkin (25:24.664)
People are seeing in every sphere. And that's what's key. Babylon gets killed when people start getting it right in their understanding. So yes, I do believe we are in a Babylon, but it's starting to get taken down.
David Doty (25:40.165)
Mm-hmm. It's very interesting. Yeah, I've been praying, and I know you have, like we've been praying for years for Babylon to fall and for the darkness to be exposed and for the truth to come forth, for people to recognize it. And I think it's important for Christians everywhere to be praying that prayer.
Michael Mishkin (26:05.474)
You know, that's why it's so important. One of the reasons for us to get educated on the right way so you could effectively pray. Do you realize how many Christians are praying prayers against God's They're coming again, just like Satan did when Satan said, we will not let you go get crucified. Why? That's great intention, Peter. Well, get behind me, Satan. When you don't know God and understand what he's doing, a lot of what you're doing is contrary to God.
So you're working for Satan in your prayers. This is why it's so important for us to really understand what he's doing. We're supposed to be growing and maturing. So this is why we bring up these things here. You know, we're bringing up now Jeremiah, just to sort of glance a little bit at what this prophet that most people don't want to, they find them too confusing. They can't understand it. Well, here's a little passage. We only read half. We got to read the other half. That obviously shows a people that are going to be downtrodden.
But then God says, I'm going to bring it back and restore. That's pretty straightforward.
David Doty (27:09.115)
Well, what does it mean? I'm going to restore the fortunes of Judah in Jeremiah 33 verse seven and the fortunes of Israel and rebuild them as they were at first. What does it mean as they were at first? I mean, is he talking about the physical nation there? Is he talking about the people? At what point? Because as far as I, when I'm reading the scripture, it's like, it's very rare that all of the people are aligned and worshiping God and living.
in a manner that's pleasing to him.
Michael Mishkin (27:40.046)
And now you bring up another good point. There's a spiritual allusion to what the people of God are. You know, there's a physical Israel and there's a spiritual Israel. I don't know how much we've ever talked about that. I think we did early on. spiritual Israel, which Gentiles are grafted into, are reflective of physical Israel. 12 tribes, one tribe.
was commanded not to have land, but they had to minister unto the people and unto God. And the others supported them and together they had a cooperative relationship that prospered as long as they worked together and followed God's ways. Well, the same way in spiritual Israel that there's Jews and Gentiles in the natural, God sees Jew and Gentile in the spirit where one new man, but we have
Physical roles just like man and woman, you know, do do they cease to exist in the natural? No a woman has her job so You know, we're seeing Reflections here is Israel and Judah. I see Judah and I could be wrong where people could look into this I've done a lot of study and it seems to reflect this each name has a perspective view You can look at Israel as inclusive
But you can't look at Israel as replacing the church. Replacement theology is wrong, it's a lie. It's the church today as Gentiles does not replace Israel. It's a part of Israel. That's the right way of understanding it. You're grafted.
David Doty (29:16.131)
so am I as a a as a Gentile believer who has accepted Messiah am I spiritually a Jew a son of Abraham
Michael Mishkin (29:26.954)
not spiritually a Jew, because when you say Jew you're reflecting to the physical role person. You're spiritually Israel in the sense that the spiritual Israel is inclusive of everybody, Jew and Gentile. So in the spirit you are included in Israel, but that's what Paul was talking about in Romans where he says that the Gentiles have Abraham as their father through Isaac, through faith, he was the son of promise. So that's what he's alluding to when he says that.
So this is scripturally back that I'm what I'm talking about. I'm not coming up with something from left field. And when Paul also says in Romans 11 about how you Gentiles are grafted into the Jewish olive tree. He's not saying that the olive tree, the Jews go into yours. He says you were in a wild olive tree. You were in something separate. You have been grafted in and unbelieving Jews were cut off because of unbelief. So through faith,
David Doty (30:01.061)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (30:20.145)
Right.
Michael Mishkin (30:26.414)
truly knowing faith means you truly believe God his way in Yeshua and you're following him his way Now many are not they think they are and they're not so they're not grafted in But there are many who really truly have a connection with God. They hear his voice They're led by his spirit. So you're grafted into the Jewish olive tree. So you're being nurtured by the Jewish root That even though a lot of Jews are unbelievers right now. It's still based in the Jews
that was given to them like the Levites. know, the tribe of Asher tried to touch the stuff of the Levites, all the articles, they would die. It's theirs. Paul says that when it comes to the people of Israel, that theirs are the fathers, theirs are the promises, theirs are the word of God, theirs are... So he's driving it home that you need these guys and there's a restoration that must happen and you are a part of making sure that that happens. So don't get arrogant against them because if you do, God could cut you off again.
David Doty (31:24.271)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (31:24.66)
So yes, so you're, know, physically we have Jews and Gentiles. So the reason why you can't say, you know, am I spiritually a Jew? Well, now it sort of confuses the role that you would have. You know, maybe you're, you know, a lot of what the reflective terminology that we see in other prophets could be like your there's Judah and Ephraim, you know, some places say Israel and some places say Ephraim. Ephraim represents Israel, the northern kingdom.
But there's also an Israel aspect where it encompasses everybody. So you know how when Israel and Judah split, there was a differentiation there. So it can seem complicated at first, but after a little bit of looking over scripture, you could understand that.
David Doty (32:12.753)
All right. Well, definitely with you that the Gentiles are not replacing the Hebrew people.
for sure on that.
Michael Mishkin (32:25.07)
Do want to read the last verses?
David Doty (32:27.001)
Yeah, so I'll begin in verse 14. Behold the days are coming declares Yahweh when I will fulfill the promise I made to the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous branch to spring up for David and he shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. In those days, Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will dwell securely. And this is the name by which it will be called. Yahweh is our righteousness.
Michael Mishkin (32:29.998)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (32:57.435)
for thus says Yahweh, David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel. And the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in my presence to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to make sacrifices forever. The word of Yahweh came to Jeremiah thus says Yahweh, if you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night so that day and night will not come at their appointed time,
Then also my covenant with David my servant may be broken so that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne and my covenant with the Levitical priests my ministers as the host of heaven cannot be numbered and the sands of the sea cannot be measured. So I will multiply the offspring of David my servant and the Levitical priests who minister to me. The word of Yahweh came to Jeremiah. Have you not observed that these people are saying
Yahweh has rejected the two clans that he chose. Thus they have despised my people so that they are no longer a nation in their sight. Thus says Yahweh, I have not established my covenant with day and night and the fixed order of heaven and earth.
If I have not established my covenant with day or night in the fixed order of heaven and earth, then I will reject the offspring of Jacob and David my servant and will not choose one of his offspring to rule over the offspring of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, for I will restore their fortunes and will have mercy on them.
Michael Mishkin (34:35.926)
says captivity I will restore their captivity their exile
But you could see there very clearly, we got a lot of understanding here even alluding to the Messiah, you know, in verse 15. In those days and at that time, there will be a branch of righteousness to grow unto David and he will execute judgment and righteousness in the land. Well, Messiah came and he didn't actually do that.
in taking over the land. So we could see that this is alluding to the second coming of Messiah when he returns. In those days, Jerusalem will be saved. So you could see, how do you know it's that end time factor? Jerusalem will be saved and shall dwell in safe safety and will be called the Lord our righteousness. Well, that's not even today. Jerusalem's not saved. It's not called the Lord our righteousness. They're not knowing him.
David Doty (35:15.237)
Okay.
David Doty (35:31.067)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (35:36.302)
So you can see all of this is forecasting towards a future event and it's not the first coming of Messiah.
And says, David will never lack a man on the throne of the house of Israel. So he's going to lead Israel from a natural perspective through the lineage of David. And remember, David is not just for the Messiah. David is symbolically representing that through Yeshua, who is the son of David, we are all the Davids as opposed to the souls, the people with the heart after God. So, and the priests.
David Doty (36:02.993)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (36:13.068)
Neither shall the priests, the Levites, want a man before me to burnt offerings." So here, it looks like a literal aspect, but in that aspect sphere, it's basically talking about same kind of metaphorical aspects. There's going to be, we don't give literal worship, you know, giving offerings of blood and goats, but the people of God are going to be worshiping God in spirit and truth. And we give those offerings when we pray.
When we spend time with Him, we're introspecting. We see when we're sinning, Lord, forgive me. Here's what I was doing to my flesh. Or we want to get connected with Him, spend time with Him. That's the continual offering, which they call the burnt offering. There's the peace offering. All these offerings actually symbolize a lot of aspects of our connecting with God when we get alone with Him. And that's why it's very good to study these different offerings.
we have to understand it's not gonna be a literal resurgence of a physical temple and they're be bringing animals for that because that's why Hebrews says that God never, there was no way for the blood of bulls and goats to ever redeem us of sin. it's not, that was just a picture and shadow of before. And God's basically doubling down saying it's gonna happen unless they break the covenant with day and night, this stuff is gonna happen.
David Doty (37:36.934)
Right.
Michael Mishkin (37:36.992)
I will have my Messiah, my son will return and rule and I will bring this restoration." So it's basically letting them know that if you think it's gone so long nothing's happened, well it will and he's not slow in carrying out what he plans to do, he's doing it in his timing.
I mean, a lot there. I I don't know you have any questions there to bring up. mean.
David Doty (37:58.385)
David Doty (38:03.237)
What would you say to the post-millennial people who believe that Jesus is reigning from heaven, ruling from afar, he's getting us ready, there's gonna be this mass buildup until Christianity overtakes the entire earth and then he's returning.
Michael Mishkin (38:21.838)
doesn't seem to be the way Scripture talks about this. He's the King of kings and he's the rules over everything no matter what. It says all authorities are under his feet and he's the high priest and he's there at the right hand of God offering sacrifices, not sacrifice, but mean intercession before the Father for us continually it talks about. But Scripture talks about him
doing his reigning as a physical return. If he's reigning now, look at this world, he's not bringing forth his way very well if he's reigning right now from heaven. So when he does come, he's gonna subdue the earth and he's gonna bring everybody into submission with a rod of iron as it says, and every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Yeshua is Lord. So this is not that. I don't see that.
David Doty (39:17.317)
Yeah, I'm with you. I got accused of being post-millennialist the other day. I'm like...
don't like labels number one, but number two, I disagree.
David Doty (39:37.883)
trying to think of another question. mean, it seems pretty straightforward.
Michael Mishkin (39:45.582)
Yeah, that was a very powerful chapter that we read that really does drive a lot of it home. mean, again, you can read Isaiah 60, 61, 62. mean, a lot of it talks about the restoration of Israel. It even says about how the Gentiles will carry the Jews back. They'll carry my people back to Jerusalem on their shoulders and they will feed them and support them. Zachariah speaks, I believe it's in chapter two. I will possess Judah as my portion.
Jerusalem and all the nations will stream to this mountain and worship me It's just Ezekiel the restoration of the dry bones and the building up to the son of David sitting on the throne chapters 36 37 38 stuff around those areas. I Mean is just I could go on and on Isaiah is loaded with them So it's just a matter of people having the eye to look and see
David Doty (40:15.473)
Hmm.
Michael Mishkin (40:42.674)
Let's look and see where God speaks about Israel and their finality. And there are differentiations of why at times he says Israel, why he says Judah. Sometimes he'll say Ephraim. You'll see that a lot in Hosea. Because he's talking from the distinguishing factor of the Northern Kingdom versus the Southern Kingdom, which I believe had a metaphorical perspective just like Saul and David.
Same way Saul was doing it their way and not following God and God wasn't happy. They were still called the people of God and he illustrated what he did to them. Same thing with the Northern Kingdom. They were doing it all their way. So that's how they distinguish against Judah who was essentially early on trying to do it God's way the right way. And then after Israel was taken out, Judah went bad as well, especially with Menashe the king.
So these metaphorical pictures is the point. We have to be able to see things where they translate to the spirit. Don't take literal to literal. A tree here is not a tree there. A tree here is an understanding there of a tree. It's metaphorical. If you learn how to do those translations, you're gonna open up scripture a lot more. So it's good stuff.
David Doty (41:55.877)
Yeah. Yep. It is good. It is good. It's always a blessing, man. Always enjoy our time together. Learned so much from you. I appreciate it.
Michael Mishkin (42:07.13)
It's always great to be on together. mean you we work together iron sharpening iron You know can't do this alone. We need everybody in this together rising up as that army of like an Ezekiel of dry bones shoulder to shoulder To take on this army of darkness
David Doty (42:25.051)
Yeah, amen. Amen.
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