In this episode of the Think About It podcast, hosts Michael Mishkin and David Doty discuss the recent shifts in the spiritual and political realms, emphasizing the importance of returning to early church practices and fostering a personal relationship with God. They explore the concept of lifestyle Christianity, the significance of hearing God's voice, and the role of church authority. The conversation also addresses the growing hunger for truth among believers, the challenges of navigating success and spirituality, and the disillusionment with organized religion. Ultimately, they advocate for unity in faith and a personal approach to engaging with scripture. In this conversation, Michael Mishkin and David Doty explore the themes of repentance, spiritual growth, and the true nature of the church. They discuss the importance of self-examination, the dangers of false doctrines, and the need for a genuine relationship with God. The conversation emphasizes the shift in spiritual awareness and the restoration of Israel, while also redefining the concept of church as a community rather than a building. They highlight the significance of determination in one's faith journey and address the misconceptions surrounding the pre-trib rapture doctrine.
Transcript:
David Doty (00:01.514)
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because it seems like there's been a huge shift in the spirit realm over the last few weeks. Obviously, there's been a huge shift politically in the United States as well as many other countries. Things are happening. I notice it even in my conversations on Facebook how the people on the other side of the political aisle or on the other side of the religious mindset belief
Christianity, et cetera, whatever. It just seems like there's more people in support of the truth these days. More people are willing to come out and boldly share and make a stand. And Mike, what do you attribute that to?
Michael Mishkin (01:18.337)
I attribute it to the times, the signs of the times. When we talk about the great awakening, it's not just on a political or a world perspective way, it's in all ways. It's a revelatory time where everything behind the curtain is being unveiled and that includes spiritually. It's not just realizing that...
you know, our lifestyle in the world was the matrix and that we were operating under systems where we thought we were free and we actually had these people of small oligarchy having these institutions tell us the way we should do our lives and, and live and raise our kids and shaping us in that way. But we also, the church, the church, the fruit of the church has just been waning. There's really been going down.
And it's really hasn't been productive for the longest time anyway, because the revelation in the church is that it's following man, not God. It's anti-Christ. It's man-made systems that are against what God has intended. And the simple way of knowing that is that if you match up what we do today with what they did in Acts right after the spirit came down and how they were operating,
David Doty (02:12.014)
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Michael Mishkin (02:39.192)
two totally different ways of thinking and operating. And they had fruit, they had power, they had authority. We have three songs, a five point message, give you ties and go to the barbecue. And people are dying left and right. People are sick. People are having...
David Doty (02:54.253)
Yeah.
Michael Mishkin (02:59.906)
Grumbling against each other people are getting divorced. It's just it's a big mess and you know We want to keep bringing people into this come on Let's go out and tell people about Jesus so they can come into the big mess that we are in you know
David Doty (03:11.906)
So, yeah, so shifting away from that and moving toward lifestyle Christianity, which, mean, I don't, excuse me, I'm not one to throw out like phrases and vernacular and be like, hey, let's try this new fad, but getting back to what the early church did and anybody who talks with me on a regular basis is going to hear Acts 2 42 thrown out at least once in a conversation. They were, the early church,
believers were devoted to the apostles teaching, breaking bread, fellowship and prayer. They were devoted to it. And that tells me that they were doing it every day and it consumed their free time, not taking kids to sports or I mean, sports aren't bad, but what if we were praying as a family in the car on the way to the soccer game? What if we were jumping on a zoom call to pray with other people or on a phone conference call to talk and pray with other believers?
Michael Mishkin (03:47.767)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (04:10.292)
on our way to work or on our way home from work, on our lunch break, what if we were devoted to studying the Word of God? And it's not just a box that we checked, hey, I went to a meeting once or twice a week, but what if we lived the way the early church did, utilizing all of these tools that we have, social media, conference calls, Zoom calls, what if we made the most of what God has given us and instead of doing
using all of this technology just to educate ourselves or just to entertain ourselves, what if we were devoted to studying the Word of God together, praying together, fellowshipping together, and making time to have meals together? How would that change the landscape?
Michael Mishkin (04:57.634)
especially in even the most simplest one of those things that you're talking about, what if we actually put aside at least an hour a day to just spend time with the creator of the universe as what Yeshua made for us to be able to do and actually talk to him and hear his voice and learn from him and let him build us into his image, which is not happening. People who even claim to know the Lord, I could tell you that out of all of those,
David Doty (05:08.718)
Hmm.
Michael Mishkin (05:24.939)
they are not getting that kind of quality time that's being transformative. The big test is to examine yourself and see a year ago, were you the same exact way and how you know God two years ago, five years ago, 10 years ago? That's the big test. know, Paul said to examine yourself to see if you're even in the faith. We operate on an autopilot.
of the way we believe that God is and even when we talk to him, when we do try to spend time with him, it's chanting. Thank you Father, I thank you, Lord bless this, bless that, thank you. I could tell you where a person's at by how they pray. I listen. When people hear me pray, they'll see a difference and it's not trying to like, hey listen to how I pray. I talk to God like he's right there in front of me and like he's the person like you, if I talk to you.
Hey David, if you could do this and David, would you do this and David, can you go get that for me? David, I went to get it. Hey David, okay, see you later, David. Does that feel like I have a real connection to you?
David Doty (06:25.923)
Yeah.
David Doty (06:29.25)
Yeah. Or at risk of stepping on toes. Hey, Michael, could you just give us enough money for Jimmy's soccer camp and Michael, could you just, you know, help us to get through this day? And could you just give us a good night's sleep tonight? And could you just keep us safe on the way to work? And could you just, just, just, you know, and it's, it's not like we're not trying to make fun of people. The goal is to say, okay, we have room to grow and
It's not as if you and I have it all figured out, right? We're not yet where we're ultimately want to be or where God wants us to be, but we're growing and life, our lives are changing. We're seeing it in our kids, we're seeing it in our marriages, and we're seeing it in our personal relationship with God. I don't struggle with the same temptations that I used to struggle with.
because God is changing me. His kingdom is advancing. Jesus told the parable of the mustard seed, it starts off small. It's this little, it's the smallest of all the seeds. But when this bush, it almost becomes a tree. takes up, it becomes the largest part of the garden, such as it is with the kingdom of God. It starts off small, but as we progress in the kingdom,
It begins to affect every area of our life and pretty soon it crowds out all that other stuff that doesn't belong. If, if we pursue, if we let it.
Michael Mishkin (07:59.928)
Now you see from your growth in understanding by spending time with him, more and more scriptures you're able to understand in the proper perspective that he intended it. There's so many things that people read those parables and they still really don't have any clue what he's talking about. Yeah, okay, as small as I must say is big, okay. And they pass by, they don't even take a second thought. But you understand he's trying to explain a process of growth that he expects for a person.
that you start off small and that you're gonna grow up to be and it's gonna become everything in your life and that all everything is gonna be about that. But when it starts off, it's not because you're totally contrary when you first accept the Lord. And what happens is it takes time of dedication, spending time with him, getting the milk of the word, being in his spirit. And that grows you from the smallest thing of your life to becoming everything in your life. And now the spirit man is what you live in, operate in, in that
flesh man has been dying because you've been giving that over to become more of that guy. But people don't understand that process. They see I'm saved because I said a prayer and I go to church and I'm saved and that is a false gospel. And they've lied to you and you're not really truly getting the treasures of what the true gospel message is and what the cross is about, which is being transformed back into the likeness of God.
where Adam lost it for us, and you have to spend the time with him. You've got to ask him the question. You've got to pour out your heart to him. You've got to be quiet in his presence and allow him to speak to you and learn how to hear his voice. If you say, don't know, I don't know how to hear it, well, then you've got a problem. You need to seek that because my sheep hear my voice. They know me, they follow me. So if you're not hearing his voice, stop the presses.
Square one is what you must learn how to do and you must learn how to know it's his voice and not a demon faking it.
David Doty (10:03.33)
There are a lot of Christians who don't hear God's voice because we as a body of people have elevated other people into positions of authority in our lives. Now, there's always going to be a place as long as we're on this earth before Jesus returns, there's always going to be a place for teachers, for Bible teachers, for pastors, for apostolic leaders and evangelists and different things. However,
we submit to one another, the scripture says. Like we don't put somebody in position of authority over us where we're subjected to them and we expect them to tell us what to do. We listen to other people and when somebody suggests something, we take it to the Lord and we test it and say, that really you? I know from myself, when I first became a believer in 2001 after 9-11, I heard God's voice plain as day.
And sometimes, you know, I had to, I went through this process of learning and many times I was wrong about hearing God's voice. But again, like I was learning, I was going through this process. He put me in a pulpit, I was pastoring this little church. I didn't do it perfectly at all. I was very immature, but my heart was in the right place. Eventually I left there and I went to another church who I really had made an idol of that. And
I subjected myself under this, the pastoral leadership of this other church. And I noticed over time, I stopped hearing God's voice and maybe he was still speaking and I was just incapable of hearing, or maybe I wasn't, you know, taking time to listen. But I noticed like, I'm not here. I don't talk with the Lord like I used to. I'll still pray, but I don't hear his response.
and it was because I had elevated other people. I eventually realized I had elevated other people to the place that God was supposed to have solely.
Michael Mishkin (12:09.175)
And this is where people have to understand that there are apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, but they're all for serving the body, not to lord over and override God in each individual person's life. If they're truly doing their job, then they are doing it unto assisting you to grow in God. A pastor
David Doty (12:34.764)
Mm-mm.
Michael Mishkin (12:36.714)
If you're having an issue, we'll come alongside you and pray with you to get clarity from God. A teacher will go over things to help open up perspectives you don't see, to help you go with God now and let the Lord clarify. And evangelists, well, evangelists has a role of bringing the message out, the clarity of the message, but that's for a different aspect. But apostles,
David Doty (12:43.054)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (13:05.473)
There are people who are overseers. They're designed as a service role, but they're overseeing. They do have authority, but they're not in the sense of like the world says that, you know, the greatest amongst you, you know, your leaders are not to be as like the Gentiles where they Lord over you. So we have to carefully observe how we're speaking to everybody around. If we think we're a leader or an overseer, you know, we're out, Hey, you do this. Why? Cause I'm the leader here. That's a Gentile mentality.
David Doty (13:20.238)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (13:30.103)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (13:35.096)
The kingdom of God is to lead by serving. And the service is to bring understanding of why. Here's what we're doing, this is what I see. And a lot of leadership in their service is to say, okay, we have an issue, let us go to God and ask him. It's not, oh, this is what we do in the situation. No, you don't know what to do. Any situation, could look like the same exact situation 10 times. And 10 times you gotta go to God and ask him, what do you want us to do?
David Doty (13:52.29)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (14:04.287)
If you go nine times and the 10th time you say, we did it nine times this way, the 10th time we'll just do it this way, then you're wrong.
David Doty (14:11.744)
Right, right.
Well said. So let's get back to this, this shift that we're experiencing over the last few weeks. what's, what do you attribute that to?
Michael Mishkin (14:30.231)
I mean, over the last few weeks is probably, you know, we're seeing manifestations from the political storm, but it's breakthroughs on that in the spiritual, which probably is reflected on the grand scheme with everybody, you know, because a lot of things you might see in one avenue manifesting, but in the spirit realm, it's covering all bases. I mean, we've seen for quite a few years now, many people...
for the kingdom are hungry because they're seeing what the church has to offer is extremely limiting and not assisting them and they're very immature, don't know really what's going on. They're very confused about what the church does teach. But then if you speak things that the Lord has shown us and bring those perspectives and shows the same scriptures that they supposedly have read a hundred times already, but all of sudden it opens up a different way and things start to click.
people who really love the truth. That's the difference. In your core, you have a love for the truth to be saved. Those people, they will not be satisfied with church at large. And when you start to speak things that God has shown us that we know is true, it's like a starving person, you're throwing them some bread. And they're like, give me more, give me more. Where do I get it? And now the goal is to now show them
David Doty (15:43.063)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (15:58.048)
Okay, let me show you where I got it from and we're bringing it to God. So I think in these times it's stepping up. More and more people are hungry. That's why we talk about like, you know, we talk about a lot of these different things, a lot of things in scripture, a lot of perspectives that were wrong, that everyone believed and scriptural basis and by the spirit. But we see the hindrances in a lot of the things that we talk about where they won't get out on YouTube. They won't get out on these different other platforms.
And the reason why is the enemy doesn't want the truth to get out. You know, it's not a golden rule, but it's generally acceptable to say if it's true, you're only going to have a few people there because it's only a remnant. If it's not true, you're going to have crowds going to it. Anywhere the crowd is going is most likely wrong.
David Doty (16:31.223)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (16:50.589)
Well, why do you say that though? Cause I mean, Jesus had crowds following him.
Michael Mishkin (16:54.816)
And then they left. Many left. They deserted him. Even his disciples at certain points deserted him. You know, when it came down to it, there was only a small amount that had the spirit poured out upon them. And then when the crowd built up and said, Hey, what is this about? Peter didn't give a happy message. He said, you better repent. You killed the Messiah and they were cut to the quick. And then when they were humbled and ready to receive truth, that's when they started to come in droves.
So the truth is not something that is a fun way to come. It's not pleasing to you. If you're getting joy from it, where the truth comes along, because the truth hurts. Initially, the truth is going to expose you. So chances are you're not going to be jumping for joy when you hear it. It's going to be challenging. It's going to be confrontation. But if it's true, it'll pan out in explaining itself and showing you why and showing you how it goes back to God.
and what it's really doing in you because we're contrary to God. Our very nature that we're born with is contrary to God. So if you're thinking you're going good and the way I'm handling things with God and I'm prosperous and I'm getting all these planes and money and this and that and this is what God wants and everything's hunky-dory, well you're probably not killing the flesh. Now don't get me wrong, there is another side to this. God does have provision.
For those that are growing in him and getting to know him, then he'll set things up and you don't have to strive for that. You just stay focused on the kingdom and his provision as he sees fit, he will lay out and he'll show you what to do.
David Doty (18:38.718)
But then, but then why are there some people who are definitely not walking with the Lord so successful?
Michael Mishkin (18:46.328)
Satan gives. Satan did it. We know what Satan's power is. We see with Yeshua, he says, all this is mine and I could give it to whoever I want. And that's all you have to do. don't, Satan won't appear in front of the person and say, hey, it's me, Satan, bow down to me and I'm gonna give you all this. I mean, some of the higher up people that we can, the deep oligarchy echelons, there's an aspect of that because they're doing their satanic rituals. But in the kingdom of God,
Usually that's not the case. Usually they sell out for false teachings little by little and it becomes part of them and they attribute it to God because those things build up in your foundation and you think you're walking that way but your core doesn't really value the truth so it won't convict you. That's the hardening of the heart that Paul talks about, how you're hardening your heart. There are certain people who just cannot do that.
They might be in it, they might be operating, but there's something just off. It's not right, but they don't know any other alternative that this is is this it? Me, for me, the reason why I've grown in such a more rapid way is I'm a lot more quicker in response to that. I don't sit there and just go with the flow and wait it out. If it's getting dry, I see a problem, something's gotta give you a Lord, what do we do? And things for me would move a lot quicker. can, I can uproot and move.
David Doty (19:51.598)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (20:11.637)
at the snap of a finger. I've done it in my life many times. I uprooted my country and I went to Israel. I uprooted Israel, went back. You know, I left a great job. When I see the writing on the wall, I can move where a lot of other people, we're gonna just weigh this out because it's too hard to just uproot, but that's a requirement from God. It does. The people of Israel, when they were in the wilderness, God was constantly requiring them, okay, uproot.
David Doty (20:15.022)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (20:32.329)
It comes at a cost. It comes at a cost, you know.
Michael Mishkin (20:41.616)
Let's go. And they were like, no, we're good here. We can take this. You know, we're, no, it's a journey. And that was the whole understanding of the wilderness of the people of Israel. It's the people of God being transformed by moving and going on the journey of their life, how it's shaping them. But they want to settle. I like it this way. This is good. Like, no, this is just a part. This is for this time. Now you've got to grow up to now fifth grade. Now you got to grow up to now sixth grade.
David Doty (20:58.158)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (21:10.786)
Yeah.
Michael Mishkin (21:10.997)
And we all just want to stay in first grade or kindergarten because we're comfortable. And God says, that's why only a remnant will make it. How many people actually went through the process and made it into the promised land?
you know, only the kids younger than 20 made it into the promised land. And it's all examples for us. It's told us that whole understanding is told as an example for us in Hebrews and by Paul in Corinthians chapter 10 as a warning to Christians, to Gentile believers. Well, we don't believe in the Old Testament, the Old Testament's that's gone. Then why are these these apostles telling you about Old Testament stuff and saying that's you?
David Doty (21:27.384)
Yeah, right.
David Doty (21:55.694)
The foundation in Acts, we look at Peter's sermon that you referenced in chapter two, I think Stephen's was in chapter seven, and they started with Abraham. You know, that's the foundation of the church, don't get me started on that word, but the foundation of Christianity is Abraham. Even that the founding fathers of the New Testament church, quote unquote,
Michael Mishkin (21:55.723)
Why?
Michael Mishkin (22:05.815)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (22:25.216)
Start with Abraham. It's there for a reason. Paul said all scripture is God-wreathed and profitable for teaching, rebuking, instruction. All scripture, starting with Genesis chapter 1.
Michael Mishkin (22:43.008)
most of it's not understood. And the reason why it's not understood is that we're settled on false idle perspectives and we that those false idle perspectives require you to cast out sections of Scripture because you don't understand it. And if you did understand it, it would count counter the way you believe in God at the time.
David Doty (23:07.374)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (23:08.449)
But then that's the challenge, you know, if people really took the time and studied the Torah, the first five books of Moses, studied the laws and understand what those laws are. That's not about, yeah, a people had a covenant with God to live by those laws and that was righteousness to them. That was what the first covenant was. But they lived the spiritual meanings. Those laws were spiritual meanings of the new covenant. They were wrapped up in those laws, but they don't sit there to think about that.
You know, they'd be more willing to follow unbelieving Jews on their perspectives of it and say, yeah, yeah, that's what they did. You know, I won't eat a cheeseburger now, which has nothing to do with any law whatsoever in there. It's bubcus baloney made up by men and that's what they're following. So you're going to follow those guys where they go. You've been, you know, like it says, you know, let the blind lead the blind and they're both going to fall in a pit.
David Doty (24:02.712)
Yeah, yeah, it has happened. There are a lot of Christians today falling into pits. There are lot of mainstream, very popular ministries that are being exposed for having...
covered up a lot of sins and a lot of people now are very disenchanted with organized religion, with Christianity and with the church. And where do we go from here or what do you say to those people who have been affected as they see another headline in the news now? think the latest thing is Daystar being
You know, having stuff going on behind the scenes that maybe have been tried. I haven't looked into any of that. just, I just saw some headlines and, what do you, what do you say to those people?
Michael Mishkin (24:58.498)
Well, this is the tip of the iceberg. mean, again, all these operational organizations that you're familiar with, most of it is carnal filth that you're gonna find coming out. People that you really pride it in are gonna be exposed and you're gonna be like, what happened? And it's gonna rock your world. And if you're the type of person that really didn't value the truth, you just like the charismatic, well, you're gonna go down, see ya. But if you really love the truth, you're gonna be shaken.
but you're gonna go to God and you're gonna start crying out to him. You're gonna push everything else out of the way and make that time with him and say, how did this happen, Lord? I thought I was following you and you're gonna talk to him and you're gonna not set time limits. You're not gonna have priorities where I have the soccer game to go to. Soccer game's on hold. my job, don't worry about my job. I'll take care of the job and it's time. I gotta get this time with the Lord, Lord, I'm not leaving here until you help me through. I know this.
Because I went through it. I've had shaking times in my, and I could have made a choice and gone this way or that way. And I did exactly what I'm telling you and this is how I've grown. That's how come I know him and most of you out there don't.
All you gotta do is spend the time with him. You're not doing it. You think you are. But you'll know it by your transformation, the fruit that comes out. I'm not the same guy I was a year ago. I'm not the same guy I was three, five, seven, 10 years ago. I came to the Lord almost 30 years ago. And the guy I was then, I am not today. I am way more closer in understanding and seeing the big picture and spending time in his
wonderful greatness and really being able to walk in a comfortable piece and not treating him like he's just some sort of poster on a wall that I chant to.
David Doty (26:55.118)
Yeah, yeah. It's really not about religion. It's really not. It's not about a set calendar of events, of going here, of reciting this prayer, of, you know, anything. Somebody was, I was talking with somebody recently and they were like, I just, need to start studying the Bible. I need to start spending time in the Bible. How do I do it? And I was like, man, just, you know,
If it's only 15 minutes a day, just start with that and don't try to say, I'm gonna read three to five chapters or don't try to get through a certain amount. Ask the Lord, what does He want you to read? And then spend as much time as you can with Him and read until the Holy Spirit stops you. Like don't read to get through the book.
Don't read to get done, to be able to check it off, say, okay, I accomplished this or that, I'm on schedule to do the Bible in a year or whatever it is. Read until the Holy Spirit stops you. Because we're all, we need to engage. The Bible is not a book that we pick up and read like any of these books on a shelf behind me. It's alive, it's living and it's active. It exposes the thoughts and the intentions of our hearts. God moves and as we open ourselves up to
the Bible and to God as we say, okay, Lord, what do you want to show me today? As I read this today, what do you want me to know? I'm reading the Old Testament law right now. I'm going through Exodus and I'm like, okay, Holy Spirit, reveal this to me because I don't understand this stuff. I don't have the Jewish upbringing, the Hebrew traditions. I don't understand a lot of this stuff. So I'm depending upon the Lord. And it might be that he speaks to me directly.
It might be that he says, hey, look up the etymology of that word. What's the root word? What's that mean? It might be that he says grab a concordance and look up where else in scripture is that word used. It might be connected to this verse or that verse and a picture arises. And it might be that he says, call Michael Mishkin and ask him or Google it. I mean, I've literally,
David Doty (29:17.12)
There have been times in my life when I was praying and begging God, like, where do want me to go next? Because I'm in the season of transition. I know that I'm not supposed to be where I was and I don't know where I'm going now. Like, where do I go? And the Lord would speak to me, Google this. And he gave me like three specific words to Google. I search it and pops up and it's like, man, that's exactly what I was looking for. I didn't know that existed.
I mean, he can speak to us and lead us through any kind of ways, but we have to be open to that. We have to engage him in that.
Michael Mishkin (29:53.506)
And you know, I think that's part of the process of helping new people and even older people, whatever, it's teaching them how to think. You think with questions. Quite, you know, the way the mind works is how do we think it starts? Well, who, what, when, where, why, and how everything is all those questions are an emptiness. It's when you say, what is it? You're empty on that knowledge. So you're calling out.
to be filled with the substance of the emptiness, which is the answer. Humans don't know how to do that. They just read through and they're like, okay, okay, okay. And that's what's gotta change. You don't have to read a lot to really start engaging God. For me, I'll give you an example. I start reading in multiple letters that Paul writes and even some of Peter or whatever. I thank my God and Father and the Lord, Yeshua, the Messiah.
and he starts to go on and for you and this and that and the other, wait a minute, I thought there's three guys up there, why is he only thanking two? Lord, why are you only thanking two? Why would he thank two? I mean, he's leaving one guy out, isn't there three guys sitting up there on a couch as the way Christianity presents it? And that's a thought process. Now you've got to be willing to accept the answer that's going to be contrary to what you've understood.
I'm not here to try to tell you answers, but that should make you, well, why does he say that? And he goes, I thank my God and Father. And then he changes to Lord, Yeshua the Messiah. Well, we know Jesus is God, Jesus is God, Jesus is God. This is what we talk, this is what we're taught in church. Jesus is God, Jesus is God. Jesus did not walk around saying, I am God, I am God, I am God. He said, I'm the son of God, I'm the son of God, I'm the son of God.
He never tried to go and push himself as I am God, which is a discrepancy between him and the Father. So are you the Father? Well, yes, but no, but yes, no. Some believe yes, some believe that. You guys don't know what the heck you're talking about. Why? Because you keep asking this guy and then this guy and then this guy. He says this, that guy says this, he believes this. You're all wrong because you don't know God. You've got a question. Why does it say it that way? Ask God.
David Doty (32:14.509)
Yeah.
Michael Mishkin (32:14.679)
Work it through with him. Don't just stop. I didn't get an answer. Well, you got to work it through You got to start thinking Lord show me and then other scriptures now have the opportunity Things that you didn't understand before can now show you something and then you go. I was thinking it this way That's why I never saw this that blocked me. So you gotta be willing to let the stuff go So this was just a practical version of simple processing in the Lord and allow his spirit into show
David Doty (32:43.95)
Yeah. Well, doctrine divides. Love unites. And so many of us have grown up in a culture that we have to pull out into bullet points, everything that we believe and don't believe. And what we've done is divide ourselves unintentionally, but we've divided ourselves. Jesus prayed for unity. In John 17, he prayed for
that His disciples and those who would believe after them, that they would be one as He and the Father are one. It's time for us to come out of the religious mindset of having a doctrine, a statement of faith, and all of these other things that divide us. Jesus never gave us a statement of faith. He never said, these are the pillars that your church is to be built on.
He never did any of that. He never said that your church should have membership and a new members class, right? The biblical model of a spiritual move of God was all related to family. Jesus talked about the Father. He gave examples about a loving Father or even like a shepherd who would leave the 99 to go after the one. What if we...
as Christians stopped trying to define ourselves and define our beliefs into bullet points and doctrinal statements. And we started just living the life as much as we could, listening to the Father and trying to be like Jesus.
Michael Mishkin (34:33.94)
that's the struggle. Because most Christians don't know how to do that. We even tell them this right now, there's still going to be, does not compute. Because it's a requirement for them to relook at everything that they were taught and realize a lot of it is wrong. That's what it is and that's where it gets hard. That's part of what the cross is about. You know, it's all the ways you think about God, you have to realize you're wrong. That's why they came out to John in the wilderness.
People don't understand that. Why is there some nutcase wearing this hairy garment saying, repent, repent. And all these people decide to come out to them. Nobody thinks about this stuff. Why would the people of God, that's who Israel was, is the people of God, why do they need to come out to some nutcase in the wilderness who's saying, repent, repent, and be dunked in water? Why would they need that? Nobody's thinking about that. But he was...
precursor to the Lord's way coming, but if you believed all these twisted ways from the rabbis that they told you about God and then you see him come, you're gonna say, no, no, you're wrong. This is how we believe. But they come out saying, hey, you know what? I'm willing to realize the ways that I've learned and thought about God were wrong and I'm proving it by repenting and being dunked. That's what they were giving up. Those religious ideas about God.
That's what making your path straight meant. That was the prophecy of John was making the path straight. Why would you make a path straight? Because your path is curved. What's the curved path? The false things that you believed about God and it's making you go this way and that way and you don't know what you're doing. So I wanna make it straight again and now that I did that, hey, there's the Messiah. That's, yeah, he fits the bill. I understand.
David Doty (36:25.55)
So the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, right? And so if you're not making progress in your journey toward becoming like God, then you might be on a winding road that's causing you a lot of heartache and delaying your progress instead of putting you in a situation where you're able to progress more quickly.
And as you said, we're, we're, need to come out of this mindset of our slow growth of comparing ourselves to other Christians and saying, well, at least I'm not like, I don't have a drinking problem. Like, like Jimmy over here, or at least I'm not so in love with the things of this world that I have to drive fancy cars and be in debt. Like Susie over here, stop comparing yourself to other people. Start.
getting yourself into the Word of God and let God as the mirror of His Word, let God expose the things that are in your heart and draw you closer to Him. And it's not about, like we don't say these things to condemn anybody. We're just like raising a flag of awareness so that people can get
to a place of understanding that the foundation of their faith is built on shifting sand because a lot of the things that we've all been taught in the church, a lot of the things that we have all been taught are not true, they're not scriptural, and they're holding us back from becoming the people of God that God is calling us to be. And it requires
humility to admit that we were wrong.
Michael Mishkin (38:29.109)
And like I said, I mean, it's gonna take, it's the hard struggle because you have to examine yourself. This is what the cross is always about. You the easier sins are the, whatever the addiction to alcohol, sexual stuff, all that stuff, obviously. That stuff is expected. It's the ones that really are getting people are the religiosity. You know, this is where you have a form of godliness and deny the power.
This is where the abomination that causes desolation, which is the carnal man sitting in where the temple should be, where it should be the God dwelling and saying it's God.
David Doty (39:06.828)
No, no, no, no, that's the Antichrist.
Michael Mishkin (39:09.109)
Yeah, Antichrist, which is totally wrong context, you know, a term, Antichrist against the anointing that's written in first and second letter of John talking about infiltrators that are twisting the gospel and they attribute it to second Thessalonians where it says a totally different term, man of lawlessness, and they just connect it and that's some guy who's going to come and appear in a temple that doesn't exist.
and he's gonna take a seat where they don't ever take a seat in a temple ever. There's no seats in there, there's no thrones, you don't sit in a temple. So, you know, nobody thinks again about this stuff. You look at the Greek, you see that it's not a man, it's anthropos, which means mankind, the nature of man. You know, like Adam, it could be male or female, and it's the nature that he has versus God, which is a different species. That's the whole perspective. And...
You know, great falling away is gonna happen. They think a falling away is like everybody at the same time is gonna say, hey everyone, we're outta here. No, the falling away is by twisting the truth. They're all gonna still be in churches, but they don't know God. You're falling away. You don't know him. Now you have churchianity. The falling away has happened a long time ago.
David Doty (40:23.778)
Wait, wait, wait, wait. So when Jesus says in Revelation,
when he's talking to the church and saying, like, here I stand at the door and knock. If anyone will open the door, I'll come up. Wait, he's talking to believers?
Michael Mishkin (40:44.767)
Gee, it's a church that he's talking to.
David Doty (40:47.352)
He's talking to believers. He's talking.
Michael Mishkin (40:49.132)
Somehow they don't see that. And then he says, I'll take away your lamp stand if you don't get it right. But no, no, no, well, somehow we don't lose anything. How can that be? You know, nobody wants to pay attention. It's all written there in front of everybody.
David Doty (41:06.038)
It is. So I am encouraged though, because like we referenced earlier, it seems as though a shift has taken place in my own life, in my own family, in other people that I'm talking with. just, seems like the truth is going forth in new ways. Not that everybody's going to accept it, but I'm seeing more people.
open to having these kinds of conversations. And I feel like we're at the precipice of a really great opportunity to advance the kingdom of heaven, not that we do it in our own flesh or by our own might at all. I just, I see God moving right now.
Michael Mishkin (41:58.294)
He's definitely moving. mean when darkness is moving the light is ready to come in a drastic way So there's no doubt about that it's who's gonna be willing to really embrace it and You know, we're here trying to help like you said We're not trying to say that we know everything and you know, you're all just you're wrong We're trying to help people to come into a deeper real relationship of what the whole purpose of this existence is about
David Doty (42:27.15)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (42:27.371)
This world was not about your job that God made. It's not about how much money you could make. God has already almost 7,000 years of operation of his plan and he did things in different phases. And now you're at this point in time where now we have electricity and we have technologies that they didn't have 150 years ago and all that time before they didn't have. Now we're coming to a climactic time where Israel has been restored as a land.
spiritually it's going to be restored again. The Jewish people, there's more Jews that believe in Yeshua from 1970 until now from what I've heard than in all those years before put together. I could believe that's true. mean, I've heard things in the past that maybe there's like 300,000 out of the 14 to 17 million that exist.
Some people say that the number might even be higher, maybe closer to a million. I don't know, it's possible, but the fact that there is that many in these times show that we're coming to some type of finality. You know, a lot of people like to say, hey, the Lord gave me a revelation. He's saying he's coming soon. He's coming soon. Well, they've been saying that for years. So soon is relative. But we are seeing the signs of the times and people are going to make a choice. Do you want to keep holding on to that?
fruitless religion that you you pride yourself in that you think you're of God but you really don't know him or do you really want to get to know him and what that means is do you want the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth if you do well we'll be happy to talk with whomever wants to talk with us and I'll answer whatever questions I know I'm not here to back up any doctrines that I believe over yours I'm gonna ask you questions and I'm gonna show you scriptures that I see and I'm gonna ask you to
Tell me what that means. And then we can go and pray to God together and look at things with, you know, and ask God what he thinks. And that's the simplicity of the way the kingdom should be.
David Doty (44:23.928)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (44:30.478)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (44:34.156)
Yeah. What if we redefined the American or the Western culture version of church and took out the word church because it's not in the original text anyway. What if we started viewing
David Doty (44:54.85)
church as a spiritual family and people instead of going to a place which was you like a school or like a club or like you know some sort of an organization with a with a great intention like the mission statement is great right the vision of the local churches is a great thing.
but it's been ineffective. We're looking at the results and it's been ineffective largely over the last 50 years. So what if we stopped looking at it as a place we go to and started thinking of it as something that we're a part of, that we live out day to day. There's an organization called Church Without Walls International and I love the name of it. I have no affiliation whatsoever. I listen to the guys podcast.
Think of being a church without walls. And what would happen if we connected ourselves with other people in a relational way and we started gathering together, and this is why I'm doing the morning prayer calls like five days a week, because it's prayer and fellowship. It's like a daily touch point. Let's talk and pray together. And it sets up your day for success.
what if we started viewing each other like Michael Michigan is a spiritual father, he's an older brother. What if you had a spiritual father, an older brother? What if you had a spiritual mother, an older sister, somebody to go to when you had a problem? And in the same way that our families in the natural were given to us as a picture of what it's supposed to be like in the spirit,
What if we started seeking out relationships in such a way that we realize like, I need help. I need help. And I also, I have something to give. I need to help other people. And we started living a lifestyle of Jesus followers rather than just trying to, you know, whatever, go to a club, whatever, once a day, once a week, check a box.
Michael Mishkin (47:17.441)
Well, mean, everything that you're describing is going to require that reeducation. I mean, you talk about the church. Well, people have to understand what you mean by that. The English word church that we see in our Bibles is written over a Greek terminology, which actually has a different perspective meaning. Ekklesia, that is used where now we use church. When we say the word church, the trigger understanding in most people's minds is a building.
that you go to, a pastor stands in the front, gives his message, and we're in the audience, and that's what church is, all the... Catholicism have their churches and all of that, but that's not what the word Ecclesia, that the English word is over the Greek, actually means. It means the called out ones. And what are they called out of? Yeshua came to the people of God for the Ecclesia, the ones called out. It wasn't the world.
David Doty (48:02.487)
Amen.
Michael Mishkin (48:13.431)
It was called out of the people of God. There's the overall people that claim to be of God and then the true people of God. This is a concept that is not new. It goes all the way back to Israel and you see where Moses comes down and people are willing to follow and then there's a rebellious crew that stand up. Korah and Dathan, they were rebellious. The ground opened up and swallowed them. Then next thing goes on, another rebellious crew. Fireballs came out.
incinerated them. This is all within the people of God. Then you go on to Saul and David. Saul's kingdom was the general at large people of God, but doing it Saul's way or the way the people wanted. And the people who had the heart after God followed David. All of that is concepts of the same thing. And in the time when Yeshua came, he was exposing again the same thing. The Pharisees were lying to the people and giving them burdens.
David Doty (48:45.262)
You
Michael Mishkin (49:09.811)
and most of Israel followed the Pharisees. A small remnant came out and followed Yeshua and moved in power. So we have to learn what the real difference is. You don't have to have church by going to a building on Sunday. It should be where every time you're getting together with fellow true believers who love the truth and are truly seeking God together.
That is your ecclesia. You're the called out ones wanting to know and learn from God. To have people, like you said, we could be there as, like you said, spiritual fathers or, and that's biblical where Paul says that, you know, not many of you are fathers, you know, and you should be, and he was insane. But if people are gonna come to me, the Lord, you know, when the Lord said to Peter and James and all them, he didn't say, hey, where you guys going? I'm gonna go with you guys and I'm gonna keep teaching you. He said, you.
Follow me. So if people are really hungry for the truth, there are people and I don't, you know, I don't need to look at the term father because oh, who do you think? And Yeshua says don't call anybody father, but there is, then Paul's talking about you should be fathers. There's the dichotomy, the split on what Yeshua means versus what Paul means. know, there's, Yeshua says don't call anyone teacher or rabbi, and then Paul says as apostle prophets, teachers. So is he countering Yeshua?
David Doty (50:05.87)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (50:34.665)
No, what Yeshua is countering is the institutional way where you follow somebody and whatever they say is law. Paul is talking about people that are advisors to you, but they generally point you to God. They're not there to give you what you to believe, but they're to help you guide. So is it right to have people that are older in the faith that can help others? And that's what discipleship actually is. Yes, but you have to make the requirement in yourself that
As I'm growing and I need this guidance, I go and seek them out and ask them and be with them. You don't say, hey, why didn't they call me today? It's not our job to go after you. If you want it, like I know with me when I was a young believer and I was fired up and hungry, I was starving for people who I looked more mature in the Lord and I was over their house. My friend's mother every night, he's sitting there at work or he's at school and I'm sitting in his.
David Doty (51:13.58)
Right. Right.
Michael Mishkin (51:32.297)
in his kitchen with his mother for three hours a day, tell me more, tell me more, tell me more. You know, because she was very spiritual. Same thing with this other woman that I knew. Anytime we could get together with her because I wanted to really help and understand how do we really understand God the right way. People don't have that hunger anymore because they don't value God. They don't value the truth. They just want a little lucky rabbit's foot. They want their idol and that's what's going to kill you.
David Doty (51:48.29)
Yeah.
David Doty (51:54.328)
Well.
David Doty (51:58.83)
But a lot of people want it and don't know where to get it. I I was in that place. I was going from church to church when I met you. I'd been going from church to church and just trying to figure out like, man, you know, I'll go here and it feels great for a couple of months. I learned a couple of things and then it's just dry and the Lord's moving us on. And so we go to another church and then we just gave up on church. Cause it's like, where do I get this? And you helped me realize and the Lord definitely as well.
helped me realize that I had so many false doctrines. I had so many false beliefs that it was like a cracked and crumbling foundation built on shifting sand and it prevented me from going any higher. And I wanted to go higher. I wanted to grow deeper in my relationship with the Lord and achieve more. And yet I'm still like just in this desert place. And I think there are a lot of people like that. It's like,
we want to go further, we want to do more, we feel even called to ministry and all these different things, and yet I'm just stuck. And the reason for that is that you've believed false doctrines, you've been taught wrong. You've been taught wrong. Start over, forget everything you know, everything that you've learned from the church, from reading books, from this pastor, that pastor.
It's not to put any of them down, but a lot of the things that we believe are just wrong and it inhibits our growth. And as a result, we don't know what we believe is true and what it's not. So we have to just start over and go back if it's Genesis one or if it's John one or wherever the Lord tells you to read in scripture, just go back and be like, okay, Lord, I'm going to humble myself. I'm going to.
admit that I might not have it all figured out, let's go back to basics. And like you were saying, Mike, while I'm reading in the scripture and it says, I thank my God and Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Wait a second.
David Doty (54:12.376)
Why doesn't he mention the Holy Spirit?
Pray about that, ask the Lord to show you. Go from this verse to that verse and He's going to fill in the gaps. You don't have to take my word for it. Mike's not saying, hey, we're starting Michiganism over here, right? Mike's gonna be the one to tell you and he's done it. He did it maybe on our last recording or the one before. Don't believe a word I say. Don't believe anything I've said. Go and study it out for yourself.
Michael Mishkin (54:43.895)
That's it. Go and ask God. You know, like you said, I mean, that is why John existed. John existed to represent those who are in the people of God, but are frustrated and really want to know more, so they're willing to come out. That's why John existed and it says, and will come again. They asked Yeshua about Elijah that was to come and he referred to John and that he will come again. It speaks that, I think in Luke, if I'm not mistaken.
David Doty (55:13.998)
you
Michael Mishkin (55:15.711)
Why? Because for the first fruits, is what Yeshua coming the first time was, the first fruit harvest, which all the disciples coming in, all the believers that came in at that time, were the first fruit harvest, Shavuot, Pentecost, all a part of the first fruit harvest. John came for that time. Now we're coming to the end time harvest, so it's gonna happen again. That's why there's a duality. That's why there's the two. We see the two that goes on there. It shows the first one and then the second one.
the first coming of the Lord and then the coming of the Lord as the King. You know, he's going to return one more time, not two more times. So rapture. Bye bye. So that's another challenging one that people are to have to understand.
David Doty (55:59.552)
I see more and more people coming out of that mindset. I see more and more people that are rejecting the pre-trib rapture false doctrine. I'm grateful. I'm grateful for that. Like it gives me hope. But I think that's one of the easiest ones. I think that's one of the easiest ones to recognize because it's so clear in Scripture that that's not stated anywhere.
Michael Mishkin (56:05.601)
Okay.
Michael Mishkin (56:25.803)
The only way you can believe that is if you're selfish and foolish. You know, you have no understanding of Scripture. All throughout Scripture, the people of God went through turmoil and tribulation, especially the holiest ones. They were beaten, killed, and all these horrible things happened. And they said, God would never let that happen to us. You're not reading the book. That's what happens to the people of God. They are, this world is not for us.
David Doty (56:46.638)
Yeah.
David Doty (56:52.172)
Right.
Michael Mishkin (56:52.479)
We are we are opposing this world. This world is evil. So yes, turmoil comes to us. So don't think you're leaving. If you think you're leaving, yeah, you're gonna leave and go someplace that you think you're not, you weren't gonna go.
David Doty (57:05.154)
The damage of that doctrine, and then we can close in the next two minutes, but the damage of the pre-trib rapture is, just like you said, it's an escapist mentality that I don't have to go through hard times. Scripture says throughout, God uses the hard times to refine us, to make us more into His image. We are to rejoice in our trials.
Michael Mishkin (57:19.009)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (57:32.524)
because it's through that process that God refines us and makes us holy like he is holy. And he allows us through the fellowship of suffering to be joined to Christ. When Ananias was called to go and lay hands on Paul, and because Paul had been blinded by the Damascus Road experience meeting with Jesus, Ananias is like, don't wanna go.
Michael Mishkin (57:39.063)
That's correct.
David Doty (58:01.482)
lay hands on that guy. I mean, we all know what he's doing. He's been locking us up and have, you know, and Jesus said to Ananias, go, he's my chosen instrument. I'm going to show him how much he needs to suffer for my name. We talk about Dietrich Bonhoeffer and this, you know, that movie came out. I haven't seen it yet. I want to see it. But Bonhoeffer was this great man of faith in the, in the midst of tremendous
trial and one of the quotes that is attributed to him is when Christ calls a man he bids him to come and die.
Death is painful and it's a necessary means by which we are transformed into the image of the one who's calling us from glory to glory.
Michael Mishkin (58:52.887)
You see how, you know, because of your, enlightenment that you've gotten from the Lord and getting to understand him better, how when you're bringing up all those scriptures, it just flows and it's like, yes and amen. I mean, it's like, yeah, there you go. There you, that is how you know. Cause it just flows out of you. mean, you're not sitting there thinking, let me say this scripture next. Let me say this way, but it all just connects to the concept. And that comes through that time you spent with the Lord and really how this picture has been.
put together by him. So now you see why this scripture says this and this and this and this, where most other people are just chanting off, you know, spiritual, you know, scriptural spells for people and they don't even know what they're talking about and it doesn't really line up. But that's what we're talking about here is an expression of true growth in the spirit and the word of God backs it up. And that's what we're trying to offer to people and explain, but they've got to be willing to give up the junk.
falsity, all the baloney that they've been taught by the all mankind.
David Doty (59:56.78)
Well, I spent enough years as a religious.
David Doty (01:00:02.912)
evangelical guy, but the Lord.
David Doty (01:00:10.018)
By having me teach the Bible every day, I've, you for the last couple years, I've been studying the Bible every single day and spending time with Him. And it has changed me. It has changed me. And so, you know, if the Lord could do it with me, He could do it with anyone because I was very much a religious hypocrite for a lot of years. And, you know, that didn't necessarily bring a lot of glory to Him.
And I probably did more harm than good in a lot of places. But if we will give up ourselves and give up our own mindsets, know, a lot of Christians want to be used by God.
David Doty (01:00:57.166)
But are you willing to get in and study the word? You I mean, you might want to go off to Bible college or whatever, but are you willing to study the Bible on your own?
I tell you what, you don't have to go to Bible college, you don't have to go to ministry school, you don't have to go to seminary. Just get into the Word of God and let it change the way you think and God can use you. One of my favorite verses now is Ezra 7-10. Why did God choose Ezra? There were lots of other priests, there were lots of other scribes, there were lots of other people in this post-exilic period.
God could have chosen to use anybody. Why did he choose Ezra? And I think it's because Ezra 7 10 says he devoted himself.
to study the law of God, to obey it and to teach it. He was just a normal guy like you or me, but he determined in his heart to study the word, the law of Moses, to teach it or to obey it and to teach it. Study it, obey it, teach it.
Michael Mishkin (01:01:49.335)
Mm-hmm.
Michael Mishkin (01:02:07.605)
And you use the word there that is actually a very powerful word that is very, has very little people operating in. And I think most of humanity, they can't do it. They just, it's a word that there's just not capable for most of humanity. It's called determination. Determination is where you set your mind to it and nothing will shift you either way. You're like, I'm going to do this. And those people,
They are the ones who will achieve the prize because then Satan has nothing on you the whole goal when you say that you're gonna do something Well, you got Satan in your way says we'll see about that and he's got all the arsenal because he knows your life and he's gonna throw everything at you and the only way the only way you will overcome is if you are determined to get the truth to get to God and it doesn't matter if he rips your arms off your skin off and you know things
David Doty (01:03:05.656)
takes your kids, takes your wife.
Michael Mishkin (01:03:07.151)
everything. That's the whole, that's a big part of why Job, the book of Job exists, is explaining that kind of perseverance and determination. You know, he grumbled and complained through, but he never shifted from God. And that's a big aspect of understanding, and most of humanity just can't do it. It's unfortunate. That's why there's only a remnant. But we don't say who they are. They find out who they are. That's the whole purpose.
David Doty (01:03:28.322)
Yeah. Yeah.
Michael Mishkin (01:03:34.84)
If you keep going, then you're that person. You can do it. And you know what the truth of the matter is? It's not in your strength to do it. All of these is for you to make yourself determined to open and be willing. And then the rest is on God's power. That's really what you're tapping into. You just got to keep yourself open and keep going forward. Just keep going. Just keep going. That's been my mantra from day one. And that's what kept me going in this whole kingdom.
David Doty (01:03:52.578)
Yeah.
David Doty (01:03:58.606)
Amen. Amen.
Michael Mishkin (01:04:04.481)
Just keep going.
David Doty (01:04:06.2)
Yep. Even when YouTube suppresses my numbers. Thank you, YouTube. God bless you as well. Even when, you know, Apple won't allow my podcast to stream on half of the mobile devices of people. We're going to go to stream catcher and other let's go to rumble where there's no restrictions and you know, whatever, it doesn't matter. I'm to keep on going. It doesn't matter if there's two listeners or
Michael Mishkin (01:04:10.017)
Yeah.
David Doty (01:04:37.568)
any number larger than that. amen brother. Do you wanna close this out in prayer? Pray for the people who might have had some part of this be a prick in their heart today.
Michael Mishkin (01:04:53.995)
Father in heaven, I thank you, Lord, for another wonderful podcast of just talking about you and acknowledging all the things that you've shown us. And I pray that it could be fruitful for people who are hungry for the truth, that are determined to have you, to really know you, and not just religiosity, and not what some other pastor or some other Christian book told them.
I pray for those hearts, the sons of God, the true ones that you've known from the beginning. Lord, I pray that you would stir their hearts to hunger for truth and righteousness and push everything else out of the way in their lives and make that the priority to go after you, to seek you and to ask you and to look at your word and question about all the things that you've said and things that are written in scripture that are controversial to things that they've believed.
and let your spirit in to guide them because the true worshipers will worship in spirit and truth. They need your word and they need your spirit. And that's what we are calling for is that the true hungry ones will come out and we can come together and be united by your spirit and love one another as you've loved us, which is the royal command. That's what you've commanded us. That was our mission is to love one another. Yeshua said it and it's repeated by James and many others.
that we love one another and you would build us Lord in love, unity, order and balance. Call out your remnant Lord, those who want you and bring us together Lord that we could build your house because unless the Lord builds the house, the laborers labor in vain and it's not by might nor power but by your spirit says the Lord when you spoke to Zerubbabel about building his house.
So we submit this to you for all those that are yours to come out and let us come together and shine your light as though dry bones coming to life standing shoulder to shoulder as a vast army. And we can express your light and your love in Yeshua's name. Amen.
David Doty (01:07:03.68)
Amen. God bless you, brother. God bless you guys out there. Let us know if we can help you on your journey. We're not building a ministry. We're not asking for money. We're not doing anything other than trying to advance the kingdom of God and connect with other people who want to do the same. God bless you guys.
Michael Mishkin (01:07:07.607)
Yes, you do.
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